ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
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Writing science fiction; novel sales problem, part three -- publishing under another name
There are very good reasons for publishing books under a pseudonym instead of your own name. If you're a person who despises the limelight and craves privacy, for example, you wouldn't want to publish under your own name. If you're working desperately to establish a reputation as a high-powered scholar in some rarefied discipline and want to keep your genre fiction name entirely separate from your scholarly name. If you're writing in a field that's tightly linked to another gender -- like a man who writes Evangelical Christian romance novels. If you want to establish two writer personas -- maybe one as a writer of medical thrillers, and another as a writer of "literary" novels -- and keep them entirely separate. If you're so prolific a writer that there's no way you could find space in the market for all the books you're willing and able to write each year. Those are all excellent reasons for writing under another name.

The situation I'm in is different. It goes like this. The sf editor says to me: "I've read your book proposal and your sample chapters, and I love it all. Great idea; beautifully written; award-winning potential. We'd be delighted to publish this book. However, you'll have to let us do it under another name, because of the low sales numbers on your Native Tongue books."

This is a publishing system which says explicitly that quality is irrelevant. "If your previous novel was one of the worst books ever written, but it sold a million copies, we'll buy your new book," it says. "If your new book is one of the best books ever written, but your last one sold only ten thousand copies, we won't buy it." It says "We'll be happy to publish your book, but we're not willing to admit that we're associated with you." It's like someone who's willing to sleep with you but isn't willing to appear with you in public. When I participate in a system like that and go along with it, I'm endorsing it; I'm supporting it and helping it become more firmly established. I'm actively supporting a system that calls all its writers except the superstars "content providers." (And the sniggery label you hear in bars -- "typists with a bad attitude.") I'm making it even more likely that the same thing will happen to other writers. And I'm doing nothing whatsoever to improve the quality of published science fiction, nothing to improve its image, nothing to get rid of the stereotype that made my university -- when I was being considered for tenure and promotion -- refuse to let any of my science fiction qualify as a "publication." How can I do that?

Then there's the fact that writers today have to put vast amounts of time and energy into building their name into a "brand" if they want their books to stay in print more than three weeks. Most of us would much rather be writing instead of doing promotional stuff, but we don't have that luxury. Publishing under a different name means starting that process over -- from scratch. Suppose our sales figures skyrocket; then the publisher who had no respect for our name will do a swift reversal to take advantage of the "brand" work we've done -- they'll put "by Tracy Brown, writing as Hepzibah Courtwhistle" on the book covers. Feh. Aargh. Damnation. This world once more, and then there'll be fireworks.

And then there's the idea that my writer's "voice" is a sort of generic commodity .... that unless the book says "by Suzette Haden Elgin" on it nobody will be able to tell that I wrote it. I find that really insulting.

This is a radical speaking, you perceive, someone concerned about quality and principles and not participating in something contemptible just because there's money in it. It has cost my family a great deal to indulge my principles. It's not the way the game is played.

Suzette

PS: I am absolutely not suggesting that other writers should follow my pigheaded Ozark example. Everybody has to make their decisions based on their own circumstances and obligations.


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[info]elfwreck
2005-04-10 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Would fan letters to the publishers help? If I sent DAW a letter saying, "I really love Suzette Hadin Elgin's books--all of them--and do you have any plans on publishing more in the future?" would that nudge them towards publishing your new novels?

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:18 pm UTC (link)
I don't think it would help, no. But I thank you for the thought, and for your comment.

Suzette

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...you're wrong: it would
[info]oregonnerd
2005-04-13 03:47 pm UTC (link)
DAW (Donald A. Wolheim,after all, established this as a different venue when I was a kid)--is responsive to reader comments. You're right in that one note wouldn't necessarily inspire interest; however, you seem to have a good following in your blog. (I was directed here by [info]mindslant, if that makes any difference; he felt we have commonalities. We're both intellectuals (much as I despise the word); we have some interests in common--though my interest in linguistics is from the side of representative set/'system' i.e. logic, not derivations of phonemes and the like, and I am an outcast from the academic world, partially due PTSD and partially probably ego or the like.

We do desperately need a neutral-gender pronoun...and the sexist set of cultures to me bears marks of the transition from 'hunter-gatherer' to civis mode--i.e. I think an aggressive culture will generally be 'male-chauvinist'--I'm using quote marks because I'm uncomfortable with some of the characteristics of a name- and use-based language (to the best of my knowledge no other variants currently exist, because I rather suspect that a 'logic-based' language (pulling logic from the subject at hand, and viewing things in terms of relational dynamics) requires some things our societies don't currently offer except in the sections thereof which are generally unclaimed...).

I will be interested to see if we can form some sort of dialogue. My guess would be that you're too busy and I soon will be; however, I have found the entries I've read interesting. Hopefully the above isn't too garbled with early-morning mental 'noise'...
Glenn

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(Anonymous)
2005-04-10 05:45 pm UTC (link)
(Michael Farris)

Color me confused. I assumed that the problem was that the publishers saw your name on a manuscript, thought "cash register poison" and wouldn't publish you for that reason. So I thought the use-a-penname advice was about submitting work to publishers under a different name.
Apparently, I was completely wrong.

The situation you describe is totallly, deeply irrational on the publishers side. Essentially they're saying, "since your last book(s) didn't sell, if a potential buyer sees your name, they won't buy it on that basis".
If you'd written a smash that everyone loved and sold three million copies and then the next novel was universally derided as dreck and bookstores couldn't give it away, then I'd understand them not wanting to publish your next novel (no matter how good) under your name. But, that's not your situation.
I would think that the important point, since you haven't written a blockbuster bestseller, is that not enough casual buyers associate your name with anything (good, bad or indifferent) to have any preconceptions and publishing under a different name wouldn't accomplish what they think it would (unless what they're trying to accomplish is something different than I can imagine).

While I'm here, the "man bashing" and "too violent" charges you describe sound like rationalizations to me..
I once lent a copy of Native Tongue to a close friend who enjoyed your newsletter. I thought (based on a lot of evidence) that she'd love it, but she returned it mostly unread with vague complaints about flat dialogue (not a charge I'd ever level). I didn't press the issue but I didn't believe her since some other stuff she read and like included a very well known SF author who bores me to tears because there's not the slightest thing resembling style in anything they do (that I perceive).
I'm not sure what, but apparently a lot of what you do is threatening to people. True, "be aware of and take responsibility for your language behavior" is never a welcome message in US culture, but I think it goes deeper than that, though I'm not that sure what it is ...

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[info]undauntra
2005-04-10 05:54 pm UTC (link)
Essentially they're saying, "since your last book(s) didn't sell, if a potential buyer sees your name, they won't buy it on that basis".

This is an accurate description of the situation that publishers are in. Remember, a publisher's customers aren't the end-users. A publisher's customers are the bookstores - and most bookstores /do/ buy fewer books of a known author who sells poorly.

Don't castigate the publishers as irrational for what is a completely valid business decision; this one is the bookstores' fault. (Publishers may be irrational on other points, but this isn't one of them.)

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[info]cakmpls
2005-04-10 06:29 pm UTC (link)
most bookstores /do/ buy fewer books of a known author who sells poorly. . . . this one is the bookstores' fault.

It's the bookstores' fault that they won't buy books that they think (rightly or wrongly) that they can't sell?

The point is that book publishing and bookselling are businesses; whether or not making money is the individual owner's primary goal, making money is a necessity, or the business cannot exist.

It might be good for society--and certainly it would be good for certain authors--if there were some philanthropic publishers, who used their own money to publish (and distribute) books that deserve publishing. (And to some extent, university presses do that.) But most publishers (and booksellers) must serve the bottom line; if they don't, no books will be published or sold.

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You've hit it on the head
[info]ethesis
2005-04-11 12:08 am UTC (link)
PS: I am absolutely not suggesting that other writers should follow my pigheaded Ozark example. Everybody has to make their decisions based on their own circumstances and obligations.

Udauntra:

I really would like to see more of Suzette's fiction in print. I'm a slave to pragmatics with publishers and bookstores -- and when there are institutional issues, like the one you hit the nail on the head for, that fighting with is more like pushing against the wind than accomplishing anything. Thanks for your post.

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:50 pm UTC (link)
In response to undauntra (in case it ends up somewhere else on the screen) ....

I don't think it's the fault of the bookstores. I won't belabor the point ... I just want to let you know that in this instance I disagree. The bookstores' return privileges put them in a unique position; imagine what the automobile business would be like if every car dealer could rip the door off any cars he/she couldn't sell easily and return them to the manufacturer for full refund.

Publishers have also begun moving aggressively into making the end-user their customer, selling books from their own websites in direct competition with both online and brick-and-mortar booksellers.

Thank you for your comment.

Suzette

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(Anonymous)
2005-04-10 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I agree with your thought, Michael, that a lot of what Suzette writes is threatening to people... even apart from its content. I realized this when Suzette said she's insulted by the publishers' notion that readers won't recognize her writing voice.

Suzette, here's how I recognize your voice: your leaps of thought are brilliant, your explanations and examples are elegantly simple, and your manner of expression is plainly female.

There are a few other writers I'd describe this way - except for the final element. Most of the writers I value this highly are male. I know, there are many reasons for that, ways I'm still struggling past my enculturation.

You bet Suzette's work is threatening to people who can't integrate excellence and femaleness.

Meg Umans

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Thank you, Meg....

Suzette

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:21 pm UTC (link)
"I'm not sure what, but apparently a lot of what you do is threatening to people. True, "be aware of and take responsibility for your language behavior" is never a welcome message in US culture, but I think it goes deeper than that, though I'm not that sure what it is ..."

If you ever do figure out what it is, please be sure to share that information with me; I'd be grateful.

Thank you for your comment.

Suzette

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[info]undauntra
2005-04-10 06:06 pm UTC (link)
We'd be delighted to publish this book. However, you'll have to let us do it under another name, because of the low sales numbers

"If your new book is one of the best books ever written, but your last one sold only ten thousand copies, we won't buy it."

These two excerpts seem to contradict each other. It sounds like the publishers actively /want/ to publish the hypothetical new novel, just under a condition (which offends you) designed to get it better exposure than it would otherwise.

It's roughly analogous to saying "We want your book, but in order to drum up sales you have to wear a chicken suit on national TV." It's humiliating, but they /do/ want the book - on the condition that you do something unpleasant to increase sales. They want sales for the money, but it seems reasonable to assume that most authors would also want to increase sales in order to get their words to the public.

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:23 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for your comment.

Suzette

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Other publishing venues?
(Anonymous)
2005-04-10 06:10 pm UTC (link)
Have you considered self-publishing, internet publishing, or other less-traditional means of getting your work out?

Baen seems to be liking their "put the text of books online" experiment; Amazon will carry your self-published books and handle orders and fulfilment, and I've seen people putting their books online as PDFs for $5 or $10.

(I'm currently trying to sell a first (semi-technical) book: the reviewers love it, the editors say it's well written and clear, but there's no market for the sort of semi-technical book we're working on, so we keep getting turned away. The people we're writing for tend not to buy books in those categories above, because they're paying someone to filter for quality for them. It's hugely frustrating.)

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Re: Other publishing venues?
[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:31 pm UTC (link)
I've done a lot of self-publishing -- my Trainer's Manual, for example, and my verbal self-defense book for emergency medicine professionals -- and I've been satisfied with the results; I've never tried self-publishing fiction. My experience with POD fiction publishing (for Peacetalk 101) has been unsatisfactory -- mostly, I think, because I didn't really know what I was doing. I believe in the new alternative publishing methods, however, and I think that they may eventually break us out of the current commercial-publishing mess. I hope so.

Thank you for your comment.

Suzette

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Re: Other publishing venues?
[info]oregonnerd
2005-04-13 03:51 pm UTC (link)
--There's a 'blogit'thing for writers that I intend to check out shortly. Someone applied to one of my communities (poetry, my main forte besides some wrong-headed 'philosophy' (philosoph-psych-soc-anthro: soft sciences, I came close to minor in Soc. w/degree in psych but only bachelors))...who was actually a very bad writer...who had been making money there.
Glenn

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Re: Other publishing venues?
[info]mtz322
2005-04-18 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Glad to see you write that you believe in the new alternative publishing methods. does that include e-books? I have most of your books in paper versions but would love to be able to buy e-books to carry with me.

Huh. The comments about talking apart used books and making copies sure lends weight to my thoughts that copying isn't exclusive to e-books!

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Re: Other publishing venues?
[info]ozarque
2005-04-18 06:36 pm UTC (link)
None of my fiction is out in e-book form [so far as I know, which doesn't necessarily mean much, since publishers rarely tell a midlist writer anything]. The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense, updated and very lightly revised, is available as an e-book. and was on an e-book bestseller list for a while; if you go to Google and type the title and the word "e-book" in the search box, links will come up to various places selling it online -- plus it's always available at bn.com, the Barnes & Noble website.

Also available as an e-book, my Gentle Art of Communicating With Kids. John Wiley & Sons put that one into e-format without telling me about it, and I stumbled over it by accident one day when I was looking for something else.

One of the reasons I go once a month to amazon.com and type my name in the search box there is to find out what new things written by me have appeared and are for sale. I am often much surprised by what I find.

Thank you for your comments.

Suzette

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Re: Other publishing venues?
[info]mtz322
2005-04-18 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Found The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense. If I had to chose one and only one of your books I'd want with me, that would be the one.
So now all I have to do is decide which of the, available theoretically for the pdas I have, has the least objectionable Don't Read Me format.

Will look for the other later.

Thanks!

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[info]plop75
2005-04-10 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Your publisher's logic escapes me. If a book has low sales, that means only a few people have bought it. So how would all the non-buyers recognize the name of a writer they haven't read, and, on that basis, choose not to buy his/her next book?

Why not go ahead and publish under a psuedonym, and then when your new book's a smash and you have people's attention, explain why it was necessary to use a pen name in the first place?

I remember Doris Lessing doing the opposite for similar reasons a while ago. She submitted a novel (without her famous name attached) to lots and lots of publishers, and, of course, got lots and lots of rejections. With her name attached, the same manuscript was . . . well, you get the point. Of course, absolutely nothing in the publishing business changed as a result.

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[info]hagsrus
2005-04-10 08:41 pm UTC (link)
"Have you considered self-publishing, internet publishing, or other less-traditional means of getting your work out?"

I was wondering about this.

This year I'm trying Print On Demand for the directory I've published by traditional means for the last 30-odd years (owing to falling demand for printed material and various other economic and personal factors).

Ingram's Lightningsource gives me an acceptable product, black and white interior, color cover, 540 pages, trade paperback for about $9 each. It's submitted to them in PDF format and the set-up charges are very affordable. (They have manuals at lightningsource.com detailing all the charges -- you can calculate per four-page signature.)

In fact it would be quite practical to offer different covers at these prices, though it might need separate ISBNs to avoid confusion.

They also offer E-book format.

I haven't looked into other POD services as yet since I wanted to see whether Ingram's distribution service would work for me over the course of the year.

(I'm also making my book available free in PDF online, in hope of boosting ad revenue, but that wouldn't be a consideration for Suzette.)



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[info]skylarker
2005-04-11 01:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm using CafePress to produce a second edition of A Discordian Coloring Book. CafePress.com offers similar print-on-demand services; their costs are figured by page-count; printed from a .pdf file you provide and the cost includes a color cover. There are several different types of bindings and sizes available. People can order from them directly, or you can order a batch to distribute, and they take care of the production and delivery. The main problem with print-on-demand is that the publisher is not handling the promotion or marketing.

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Just FYI ....

I had Peacetalk 101 available free online for an entire year before I moved it to a POD publisher; so far as I can tell, it didn't help. I now suspect that I should have left if online, free, after the POD edition came out, but that didn't seem to me to be fair to the publisher. As I said in a comment above, I didn't know enough about what I was doing. I thought I'd done thorough research and understood the POD route, but I was wrong about that. And I'm sufficiently a "burned child" to fear getting into that fire again just yet; I'm watching developments with my full attention.

Thank you for your comment.

Suzette

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[info]skylarker
2005-04-11 02:46 pm UTC (link)
How about this: leave the first chapter online, free, with a link to the publisher.

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As I see it. YMMV.
[info]jodawi
2005-04-10 10:09 pm UTC (link)
The business and the writing are two separate worlds.

The business world as it currently exists must do things the author might not like, including choice of cover picture, cover text, title, back cover text, font, text size, margins, paper quality, price, advertising, etc. None of those are as personal as the name, of course, but they're all things that I'd like control over for one of my books.

All of that is ephemeral, as is (I suspect) the entire current business world. The only thing guaranteed to last is the writing itself. And there's nothing to stop you from creating a web site that says "this is what the real cover should look like, here's the real non-commercial title, and I'm the real author", overriding the packaging provided by the business world.

You have control over the writing, and whether or not it exists now and forever.

And then there's the idea that my writer's "voice" is a sort of generic commodity .... that unless the book says "by Suzette Haden Elgin" on it nobody will be able to tell that I wrote it. I find that really insulting.

I think that's mixing the business world and the writing world. Part of the business world is stupid, so other parts of the business world have to trick it. It's amoral rather than unmoral, and incapable of offering insult as it's an organism about as complex as a bacterium.

After all the twisty business world business is done, the writing and the readers remain. In 50 years, will someone seeking more good stuff by Suzette Haden Elgin find it along with "originally published under the pen name of _________ due to the marketing idiocy of the day, which is now thankfully obsolete" or will they be disappointed and find nothing and wonder why you didn't write more?

And what is more effective for communicating to the widest possible audience that the current system is bad and needs to be changed? Having no new books out, and becoming less well known, or having a new award-winning book out that temporarily appears in another name, allowing you lots of opportunities to explain exactly why it had to appear in another name and how that indicates a problem in the current system?

To me, it's not "just because there is money in it", it's because one should be able to do the writing one wants to do and the reading one wants to do, using the properties of the business organism to accomplish that rather than allowing the business organism to eat it all and leave a void.


And other such sentiments.


But now I have to gripe about what I really hate, and do find a form of insult (though not by the amoral publishing bacterium, but rather by the authors who do them): new works by dead authors, such as Frank Herbert. As if Dune were independent of the human that created it. I find that sort of thing to be spitting on the grave of the author. But it's probably irrational for me to feel so; it doesn't change anything about the original books, and potentially can increase their exposure. And my own goal in writing is to seed the world with memes, which are by definition independent of me, so blah blah etc. Ok all done.

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Re: As I see it. YMMV.
[info]skylarker
2005-04-11 01:37 pm UTC (link)
Well said. I would be glad to see more work by Suzette Haden Elgin even if it purported to be by someone else - and I'm sure the truth would be known before it hit the bookstands, given the way we all talk, and the network of online newsgroups and journals.

there's the idea that my writer's "voice" is a sort of generic commodity .... that unless the book says "by Suzette Haden Elgin" on it nobody will be able to tell that I wrote it

I get the opposite message: that the writer's voice is so clear that whatever it says on the cover people will know it's by Suzette Haden Elgin.

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Re: As I see it. YMMV.
[info]ozarque
2005-04-11 01:41 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for your comment.

Suzette

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Re: As I see it. YMMV.
[info]ashnistrike
2005-04-11 09:37 pm UTC (link)
Whether "new works by dead authors" bother me depends on how the author felt about it. As I understand it, Herbert's kid is carrying on the legacy (disclaimer: I haven't read more than the first couple of pages of Dune myself, so can't judge how well he's managing it). I have no idea if the elder Herbert authorized this or not. If one of my kids was interested in carrying on my universe after I was gone, and I liked their writing style, I believe I'd be delighted--why should your memes have to die when you do? On the other hand, without authorization, I think it's invasive and unethical. It bothers me a lot when author's wishes about their work aren't carried out, whatever form that takes.

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[info]archangelbeth
2005-04-10 11:41 pm UTC (link)
(This may be addressed later, but I would like to remember my comments and with a five year old in the room, I don't count on that for the duration of even this sen... what am I talking about?)

Ah, right.

I don't think this is a recent thing -- I see old stuff on the shelves by Alan Burt Akers aka Dray Prescot and apparently the ABA name was a pen name as well. Barbara Michaels is Elizabeth Peters, depending on if she's writing horror mysteries or one of her lighter series.

I also recall hearing that the earliest SF magazines tended to have any number of articles with pen names -- to conceal that the thing was printing fifteen things by Author X instead of fifteen Great Authors.

So it's something that's been around since SF went public, and not recent. It's just the current "your last book has a rep for not selling, but we might be able to sell this one" atmosphere that's relatively new. O:p

But what do I know? I'm pondering trying to get my Grand Unpublished into electronic publishing sometime...

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All I can say is that Stephen King had the same problem
[info]ethesis
2005-04-11 12:10 am UTC (link)
It isn't as if authors with high sales haven't had to use psuedonymns as well.

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Re: All I can say is that Stephen King had the same problem
[info]night_light_
2005-04-11 02:38 am UTC (link)
Apparently Ruth Rendall published a book that "wasn't up to her usual standard" as Barbara Vine, and now has a different group of fans a number of ooks under that name.

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Re: All I can say is that Stephen King had the same problem
[info]papersky
2005-04-11 12:56 pm UTC (link)
It wasn't "not usual standard" it was "not usual genre". The BV novels are more psychological and slower, she/her editors thought her readers wouldn't like the change of pace. But it was an open secret from day one, the reviews of the first one in British papers said "This is RR doing something new..."

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[info]daszeria
2005-04-11 12:35 am UTC (link)
I also get angry at the industry, for some of the same reasons you do; it's not a system that supports ordinary writers. That's just the way it is. But if it meant never reading another novel by you, Suzette, I'd say bite the fucking bullet and publish under a different name; I admire your devotion to your principles, but...well, sometimes concessions have to be made. This world doesn't permit idealists to flourish.

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[info]rolanni
2005-04-11 12:43 am UTC (link)
And then there's the idea that my writer's "voice" is a sort of generic commodity .... that unless the book says "by Suzette Haden Elgin" on it nobody will be able to tell that I wrote it. I find that really insulting.

Hmm.

Y'know? I don't think that's what's being said. If you have editors who want to buy your work, but only if they can present the book as written by Pyk Yer pen'Name... What those editors are saying (IMHO, all usual disclaimers apply) is that they believe in your voice and in the strength of your stories; they want to get those stories out where readers can find them and delight in them. And the only way they can do that is to play Beat the Store Computer -- insert a new name, with no history attached to it, and let the readers have a chance.

My view -- remembering that I write with a co-author, so have perhaps an odd take on it -- is that the book has a voice; the story has a voice. The author's name -- does not have a voice. How many people can't remember the names of writers, after all?

I'd point out that Judy Tarr is writing a series under a pseudonym which is pretty much an open secret, so once the computer has been fooled and the book is in the stores, there's no reason not to let it be known that X was really written by Suzette Hadin Elgin.

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[info]metalfatigue0
2005-04-11 01:18 am UTC (link)
Is there anything about the book trade that is not stupid?

Notice I say anything and not anyone. The sensible people seem oddly powerless, however.

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[info]papersky
2005-04-11 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Have you asked it they'd take it as by Suzette Haden? Or as by Haden Elgin? Something that isn't a lie and is recognisable but fools the bookstore computer ordering system? I always joke that if I had to do it I'd be prepared to go with "Jo W. Alton".

Also, have you tried Small Beer? That would be my serious suggestion. They published Sean Stewart's latest.

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[info]deborahb
2005-04-11 01:35 pm UTC (link)
I heard recently that Iain Banks regrets not making a bigger divide between his genre/non-genre publishing names. He wishes he'd gone for something completely different on one of them (I admit to repeating this with utterly no attempt to ascertain its truth). Still, he seems to be going OK. ;)

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[info]jodawi
2005-04-11 04:29 pm UTC (link)
Maybe anagrams. Less recognizable, but arguably the same name, and fun.

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[info]lexica510
2005-04-11 04:48 pm UTC (link)
And then there's the idea that my writer's "voice" is a sort of generic commodity .... that unless the book says "by Suzette Haden Elgin" on it nobody will be able to tell that I wrote it. I find that really insulting.

I don't think this is the reasoning behind the idea, at least not for me. A big part of the problem, as I see it, is that some people have preformed ideas of what your writing is about, and those ideas are strong enough that they won't buy a book with your name on the cover. If we can get them to at least sample the text (which they won't, if they see your name) they may well like it and seek more out. The people who already know your work and like it will seek it out anyway, regardless of the name on the cover.

Perhaps I've been married to a semi-picky eater for too long, and it's colored my view of people. It's been my experience that if I don't tell him what he's tasting before he tries it, he frequently likes it. If I do tell him, he falls into his default thought pattern of "I had that once and didn't like it, therefore I will always dislike it."

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Garbage!
[info]dakiwiboid
2005-04-11 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Look, I'm strange, but every time I go to a bookstore, yours is one of the names I've automatically looked for in the SF section for years on end. I'm sure I'm not alone. Tell that to the creeps.

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[info]beckyzoole
2005-04-15 06:05 pm UTC (link)
I have a friend, Bill, who writes prolifically using several different names. His military adventures are published under the name Jay Riker, his military science fiction is by Ian Douglas, and his non-fiction is by William H. Keith. He's writing new "Keith Laumer" books too, licensed by the publisher to do so now that Laumer is dead. He's also ghosted a fair number of sci-fi books ostensibly written by actors.

It's all the way the publishing business works -- and by working with it, Bill manages to make a living by writing alone.

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[info]thecert
2005-04-18 12:37 am UTC (link)
When I participate in a system like that and go along with it, I'm endorsing it; I'm supporting it and helping it become more firmly established.

Coming in very late on this thread; sorry.

I understand what you're saying, but please remember, as long as you participate in the mainstream publishing industry in any form, you are supporting it - including its practices that you don't agree with. This means not only when you publish your every book under your own name but when, for example, you buy new books from big publishers through big bookstores. Through your financial contributions (as author and book buyer), you've been contributing to the system for a long time.

Like other contributors to the thread, I don't know what the answer is. Supporting the authors who've jumped through the hoops just so (by buying their books) means supporting the publishers who see books as a commodity and authors as row crops: pluck the fruit and trash what produced it. But not supporting the big houses means deserting the authors (and their fruits) too. It's very hard to know what to do.

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[info]ozarque
2005-04-18 12:37 pm UTC (link)
"I understand what you're saying, but please remember, as long as you participate in the mainstream publishing industry in any form, you are supporting it .... "

You're absolutely right -- and you've pointed out the logical flaw that makes the position I've been taking lo these many years both hypocritical and stupid. That I haven't seen it before is equally stupid. (Stupid of me, I mean.)

Thank you for posting this -- it's true that you're late to the thread, but I'm very glad you showed up.

Suzette

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it's all numbers
[info]mtz322
2005-04-18 05:25 pm UTC (link)
It is horrifying, but from what I've been reading the past few years it is all in Sell Through numbers and how the big chains use them. They order ten books and eight sell. Great sell-though and a person handicapped by logic might think they would order another ten. Nope, they order eight. Then, for some reason I still can't comprehend, the sell-through percentage stays the same and they only sell 80% of the 8 or six books. Next order is six. Same thing, and this continues until the book is banished.

The worst part is that the sell-through is only for a limited time. End of the month, or even shorter period, and the figures are calculated. Slow starters? Forget it. Books that might continue to sell for years? Forget it.

This is one of the big arguments in favor of e-publishing. No sell-though handicap.

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