ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
@ 2008-01-11 08:06:00
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Personal note; making bread; part two...
Part one of this post is at http://ozarque.livejournal.com/486741.htm ; here's the opening paragraph, for your convenience:

"Recently -- based on an impressive array of positive reviews -- I bought the book by Jeff Hertzberg and Zoe Francois titled Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day: The Discovery That Revolutionizes Home Baking [Thomas Dunne/St. Martin's 2007]. This book claims that you can make a big batch of dough, with no kneading, stash it in your refrigerator, tear off a grapefruit-sized chunk before dinner every night, spend five minutes getting it into your oven, and have a freshly-baked loaf straight from that oven to go with your meal."

Well, I've tried the Master Recipe, and am happy to report that the result was a really wonderful loaf of bread. And I say that in the context of a fact that should be remembered: It was the very first time I had ever tried that recipe or that method of baking bread. Nevertheless, the bread was excellent ... lovely crumb, lovely crust, lovely flavor and texture. And there really were only five minutes of active work involved in getting it ready, none of which involved any kneading whatsoever. [You have to do those five minutes of work roughly two hours before you want to eat the bread, by the way, because of the time needed for letting the dough rest, baking it, and letting it cool properly; plan ahead.]

None of the steps in the recipe that I had thought were going to be tricky gave me any trouble at all, and the rest of the bread dough -- enough for three more loaves -- is resting happily in my refrigerator, ready to use.

It's magic; if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes and baked it with my own hands, I never would have believed that it was possible. I wholeheartedly recommend that book [plus its errata sheet, available at http://zoebakes.com/?page_id=101 ].

This afternoon I'm going to show my husband how the recipe is done, and then I'm going to turn the whole process over to him so that he can start gracing our table with all the different kinds of bread that he's been lusting after and that I just have not had time to bake.

Way cool.... I love happy endings.


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[info]rosefox
2008-01-11 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Fabulous! I'll have to see if I can lay hands on a copy. "No-knead" is necessary for me thanks to my RSI.

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that_dang_otter
2008-01-11 03:58 pm UTC (link)
The no-knead bread recipe seems to have many variants. In our method, we use a quarter teaspoon of yeast and let it rise for 18 hours.

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Response to that_dang_otter...
[info]ozarque
2008-01-11 04:02 pm UTC (link)
My guess from your description is that the recipe you're using is the one that took over the New York Times for a while recently. The recipe -- and the baking method -- in the "artisan bread" book are completely different. They really do let you just make a big batch of dough, stash it in the refrigerator for as long as two weeks -- with no "feeding" required at any point, and tear off chunks for baking whenever the spirit moves you. Not the same thing at all.

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[info]geojlc
2008-01-11 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I just looked at the errata sheet, and I don't think they were updating the amount of yeast, I think they were updating the number of packets of yeast the recipe was calling for... It looks like the book was saying throughout to use 1 1/2 T (1 1/2 packets) and the errata sheet is updating it to 1 1/2T (2 packets).

But I agree. Wonderful bread!

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Artisan Bread
(Anonymous)
2008-01-11 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Hi Ozarque,

Thank you for this wonderful review of the book. I'm so glad that your experience was so great!

Yes, it is true that our method uses more yeast than some other recipes. There are a couple of reasons we did this. For one we wanted people to be able to bake a really lovely loaf right after the initial 2 hour rise. The second reason is that we want to encourage people to store their dough for longer periods and still have great oven spring without having to let it rise for 18 hours. 1 1/2 tablespoons is what we settled on to accomplish this.

For those of you that are experienced with lower yeast recipes you can try reducing the amount of yeast in this recipe as well, but just remember you will need to let it rest for much longer.

Because it is a new book we are constantly updating the errata sheet. I wish we got it all right the first time, but such is life!

Many thanks! Zoe Francois

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Re: Artisan Bread... response to Zoe Francois...
[info]ozarque
2008-01-11 07:48 pm UTC (link)
You're very welcome; I'm delighted with the book and with the bread. And I'm perfectly happy with the 1 1/2 TBSPs of yeast, which worked beautifully. I've made bread myself all the fifty-plus years of my adult life -- with lots and lots of kneading, most of those years -- and the dough your recipe yields looks and feels exactly right to me. I'm glad to have the quantity of yeast clarified; thank you.

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Re: Artisan Bread... response to Zoe Francois, continued...
[info]ozarque
2008-01-11 08:39 pm UTC (link)
I've now corrected the error in the post, so that there'll be no confusion.

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Response to geojlc...
[info]ozarque
2008-01-11 07:44 pm UTC (link)
I would never have figured that out on my own -- probably because I never use yeast in packets at all, just bulk yeast. I was puzzled, because my perception was that the dough made with 1 1/2 TBSPs was perfect, and the bread as well; I was seriously considering ignoring the correction (as I understood it) and going ahead with only 1 1/2 TBSPs. Thanks for explaining.

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Re: Response to geojlc...
[info]indefatigable42
2008-01-11 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Have you ever seen baker's yeast that comes in a brick or cube? I've seen recipes that call for it, and I think they were from eastern Europe. I wondered how to convert from a brick of yeast to the little pellets that come in jars here.

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Re: Response to geojlc... and to indefatigable42...
[info]ozarque
2008-01-20 07:34 pm UTC (link)
I can remember when the "cake of yeast" [that was the term used] was all that you could buy. You had to let it dissolve in the liquid in your recipe -- and it took a very long time.

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Re: Response to geojlc...
[info]geojlc
2008-01-12 02:04 am UTC (link)
I buy it in bulk too. It took me forever to figure out how to convert packet amounts to bulk amounts...

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OT
[info]shakatany
2008-01-11 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Have you heard about this?

Shakatany

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Re: OT... response to shakatany...
[info]ozarque
2008-01-11 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Yes. But I might not have, and then if you hadn't alerted me to it I would have missed it. Thank you for posting the link.

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Re: OT
[info]ab_xnfp
2008-02-27 08:58 am UTC (link)
I wish they'd addressed the possessive gender neutral pronoun. "Yo put his feet up." just doesnt cut it.

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[info]silversliver
2008-01-11 08:08 pm UTC (link)
This sounds fabulous and delicious. I may need to get this book too!

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Bread
(Anonymous)
2008-01-11 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Here's an adaptation of the recipe in the Artisan Bead book you have recommended.
Since I can't help fiddling, and want some aspect of whole grain, I am doing with 1/2 cup wheat germ added, and 1/4 cup less flour. After 30+ years of experimenting, I can say there is almost no such thing as a failure fresh out of the oven, and I will see if this holds up for the next morning, for my tweaks, since I do 2 loaves at a time.
Wib

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/21/dining/211brex.html?_r=1&ref=dining&oref=slogin

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-12 02:37 am UTC (link)
I've ordered the book. My husband is nuts for daily fresh bread.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-12 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Elizabeth David in 'English Bread and Yeast Cookery' stated that the longer, slower rise (less yeast and rising at a cooler temperature) developed more flavor. Its a marvellous book, not only for the recipes but for the historical overview - recipes AND historical technology.

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[info]amysuemom
2008-01-26 10:29 pm UTC (link)
The book (Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes a Day) arrived yesterday and after purchasing a few needed materials I have started the dough for the Deli-Rye and am inordinately excited. I'm especially thrilled there is a Challah recipe in the book as well. If this technique works well for me I plan to provide most of our bread this way. Thanks for the tip!

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Erratum
(Anonymous)
2008-02-21 01:35 am UTC (link)
"Part one of this post is at http://ozarque.livejournal.com/486741.htm"

That should end in ".html" rather than ".htm"

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Re: Erratum... response to Someone...
[info]ozarque
2008-02-21 01:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry; thank you for catching that. I'll try to get it edited quickly.

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