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Writing science fiction; interview 4
December 9, 2084
"Interview with Genneva Casterhazy Halldread," conducted by CNN-Prime's Malcolm Ndebe
Cyberdragon dismembered by Humankinder terrorists at charity ball while guests watch in horror

CNN-Prime:
Mrs. Halldread, let me begin by expressing CNN-Prime's deepest sympathy for you and for all the guests at the Crystal Ball who went through this terrible ordeal last night; our hearts go out to you.

Genneva Casterhazy Halldread:
Thank you, Malcolm.

CNN-Prime:
Could you -- I know it's hard -- could you just briefly tell our viewers what happened?

Halldread:
Well.... Last night was the Crystal Ball, at the Governor's Mansion...

CNN-Prime:
Yes. The annual charity ball for victims of Alstrina's Syndrome. One of the year's most glittering events! As I understand it, everything was going beautifully. And then something happened that has never happened before.

Halldread:
Yes. Everybody was there, and of course everybody had brought their cyberdragons with them for the occasion -- we always do that -- and we were all dancing and enjoying ourselves. The band was playing "Chestnuts Roasting By An Open Fire"... [Shudders.] I will never be able to listen to that song again... never!

CNN-Prime:
And then -- suddenly?

Halldread:
And then suddenly this gang of Humankinders -- this gang of terrorists, these men all in black, with black masks over their heads, jumped up on the stage and of course the band stopped playing... And one of the men....

CNN-Prime:
Yes, Mrs. Halldread?

Halldread:
He.... He had my favorite cyberdragon -- my little Evangeline, my darling little Evangeline -- and he was holding her up over his head and just laughing and laughing and shaking her in the air and... and he yelled at us to hand over the cashbox with all the money for the ball or he was going to.... He said, "Or I'm going to pull this little cyberdragon's legs off, one at a time!" And my husband ran -- he ran -- to the stage with the cashbox and gave it to him -- he didn't argue, I swear he didn't, he went right to that man, with the cashbox... And...

CNN-Prime:
Take your time, ma'am. Please.

Halldread:
And the man took the cashbox and he handed it to one of the others, and then -- Malcolm, then he went right ahead anyway... They all did, there were half a dozen of them... They held Evangeline there in front of us, where we could all see everything that happened, and... oh dear god in heaven.... Malcolm, they just pulled her apart. They pulled off all her legs, you cannot imagine what it was like to see that ... they pulled off her little tail ...

CNN-Prime:
And I understand that... that they pulled off her head.

Halldread:
[Sobbing] Yes! YES, they pulled off her head! And then they stood there on the stage laughing, Malcolm, and they sort of .... they played catch, you know? They threw the pieces of Evangeline to each other, threw them back and forth... while one of them went out the back door with the cashbox. And then they pointed their machine guns -- did I mention that they all had machine guns? -- they pointed their machine guns at us and they backed their way out of the ballroom ... and they took all the pieces of Evangeline with them, and oh god they could be doing anything to her and we don't have any way of knowing what they're doing to her and I can't stand it, I can't stand it, what they might be doing to her!

CNN-Prime:
Mrs. Halldread, I am so sorry -- but as a journalist, I have no choice, I have to ask you this question: Doesn't it help to know that because Evangeline is a robot she can't feel pain?

Halldread:
NO! NO, it doesn't help! We love her! She is precious to us! And I'm not sure she can't feel pain -- how can we be sure??

CNN-Prime:
Mrs. Halldread, you do know that Holdyn Callaweigh -- the CEO of Cyberdragon Inc., the company that built Evangeline -- was on the air before dawn this morning with a statement assuring us all, unequivocally, that their cyberdragons absolutely cannot feel pain or distress of any kind.

Halldread:
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? ... And Malcolm, I have a question for you too, that I have to ask: What if you had to stand helplessly and watch while a gang of brutes tore one of your cyberdragons to pieces?

CNN-Prime:
It's an honest question; I'll give you an honest answer: I really do believe I would lose my mind. I believe I would go insane. I'm not as tough as you are, ma'am.

Halldread:
Malcolm, you have to understand, everybody needs to understand -- they didn't just take Evangeline when they left. They were all carrying cyberdragons under their arms. And they told us this was just the beginning. They told us... "Starting right now," they told us, "no cyberdragon is safe. We have cells everywhere, and we are going after every cyberdragon on this planet, and we're not stopping until we have destroyed them all, every last one of them!" Malcolm ... what are we going to DO?

CNN-Prime:
I understand that the Department of Homeland Security is in an emergency meeting right now, as we speak, and that--

Halldread:
Oh, THAT'S good! That's WONderful! It's in the hands of HOMEland SeCURity! Now that I know THAT, I know everything will be FINE! RIGHT? RIGHT? [Hysterical laughter.]

CNN-Prime:
[Clears throat.] We thank you, Mrs. Halldread, for being willing to talk to us at this difficult time. We appreciate it.



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[Note: The other interviews about the cyberdragons are at http://ozarque.livejournal.com/421074.html and at http://ozarque.livejournal.com/423028.html .]


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[info]dulcinbradbury
2007-11-07 04:29 pm UTC (link)
It's an honest question; I'll give you an honest answer: I really do believe I would lose my mind. I believe I would go insane. I'm not as tough as you are, ma'am.

It's funny. I got to there & I stopped.

I guess this concept held me as a single story, but, as a string of them it doesn't. Because, in reality, I have a hard time buying it. People NOW have pets that they treat like children. This isn't a brand, new concept. For everyone who "loves" the things, there would at least be another person rolling their eyes over it.

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 05:06 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry this one doesn't work for you; it happens. And I thank you for the comment.

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[info]lovecraftienne
2007-11-07 04:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure I'm buying the character of Halldread completely. She seems...immature? I'm not sure I can pin it down more closely than that, but she sounds to me a bit like a teenager, rather than a presumably fully-grown woman.

Alternately, I'd shorten the time-frame between incident and interview; if she were still in a place to be hysterical, she'd seem less immature for being so.

FWIW, anyway. It's a very interesting form - you seem to be investigating storytelling forms which come from a more indirect group of communication methods in your recent work, it looks to me. It's a style which requires a certain amount of intellectual engagement on the part of the reader (which isn't a bad thing!) to fill the story out around the edges.

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Halldread is supposed to come across as a silly, spoiled, over-privileged, very rich woman who's never had to deal with a real problem in her life; every now and then I meet a full-grown woman just like her, and I'm always amazed. But I didn't make that clear enough for you in the things she said -- I didn't make her words sturdy enough to carry her as a character for you. And I didn't find a way to make the dialogue compelling enough to earn from you the intellectual engagement that you accurately point out is necessary. Thank you for your comment; it's helpful.

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[info]lovecraftienne
2007-11-07 05:18 pm UTC (link)
I'd thought that was a possibility (the overprivileged - I know just who you mean, there's a brilliant sendup of that character-type in Best in Show). They seem like teens because in effect they are; never having had to make a dollar, or a hard decision, they've basically stunted their growth as an emotional adult, remaining someone who still believes that the world revolves completely around them.

But I think their hysteria is different from a teen's; there's a different quality, and I'm not sure I can pin down where it's going wrong. I'll come back and read it again in a few hours, and see if it jumps at me. It might be in the register, but then I might be led astray there as, of course, she would sound like a teen of right now, as she was (will have been?) one right now.

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Re: Response to lovecraftienne... - [info]elfwreck, 2007-11-07 07:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to lovecraftienne... - [info]lovecraftienne, 2007-11-07 07:04 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to lovecraftienne... - [info]elfwreck, 2007-11-07 07:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to lovecraftienne... and to elfwreck... - [info]ozarque, 2007-11-08 03:02 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to lovecraftienne... and to elfwreck... - [info]elfwreck, 2007-11-08 03:28 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to lovecraftienne... continued... - [info]ozarque, 2007-11-08 02:59 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]wolfangel78
2007-11-07 07:13 pm UTC (link)
Having someone take your pet, dismember it in front of you, play catch with the pieces, then threaten to steal and kill all the pets in the entire world, but the person who is upset about having their pet stolen is silly and this doesn't count as a real problem?

Yes, they're robots, still, they're pets. The sexism in this story(calm head of major network: male; flighty, obsessive, selfish rich person: female) amazed me. (I liked the story, despite this; it's perhaps my favourite of the three.)

I also find the "well, they've never had something bad happen to them, so they're just so immature" thing odd (I've seen this all over, not just here, it's a common subtext). Shall we have a group of people go around carefully making sure all children and teens have to suffer? Have you never met people who had nothing bad happen to them and are still not self-involved like that, or people who have had bad things happen but are that kind of selfish anyhow? I assure you, both these kinds of people exist.

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[info]wynnsfolly
2007-11-07 04:42 pm UTC (link)
I really like this whole series. of course, I also now want a cyberdragon of my own.

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. I want one, too...

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[info]anderyn
2007-11-07 04:45 pm UTC (link)
What I'd really like is an interview or a tape from the Humankind first people. I'd love to see their point of view somehow -- I'm more and more curious about what they really think (as opposed to what the people who are so into cyberdragons think they think, if you know what I mean?).

But I have to agree with [info]lovecraftienne that Halldread seems somehow *off*, immature, in places where I'd expect her not to be. It's hard to pin down, exactly, but I think I stopped believing in her once she started spouting about Evangeline feeling pain. I can understand her very well up until that point. Perhaps it's just that I *think* I would feel that Evangeline, having been violently pulled apart without benefit of tools, is probably too broken to be put back together again -- so she's DEAD rather than possibly in pain. If they took *another* of Ms. Halldread's dragons, then I'd be more sympathetic to her worries.

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[info]dulcinbradbury
2007-11-07 04:49 pm UTC (link)
But I have to agree with lovecraftienne that Halldread seems somehow *off*, immature...

I think that's probably what threw me most. There was just a point at which I was thinking "Either this woman is stark-raving-mad or never matured past ten."

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 05:24 pm UTC (link)
An interview from the Humankinders is a very good idea, and it would strengthen the series. I'll think about writing one -- and you could of course write one. My "design" for the cyberdragons has all their parts slipping into sockets in their main body the way human hip joints do, so that pulling their bodies apart would take considerable strength but wouldn't destroy them. If I'd had my brain properly engaged, I'd have realized that I've never put anything in the cyberdragon interviews that gives the reader that information. And without your feedback I wouldn't be aware of that yet. Thank you for pointing this out to me.



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[info]wynnsfolly
2007-11-07 04:58 pm UTC (link)
is it possible that with cyberdragons being used as a substitute for human children and interaction, owners are becoming emotionally and intellectually stifled?

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 05:28 pm UTC (link)
I truly don't know the answer to that question. I don't yet understand this fictional society well enough to know; for that matter, I don't understand real-world human beings well enough to know what would be plausible. I'm watching the recent news stories about people who dress up their Roombas -- their robot vacuum cleaners -- with great interest.

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Re: Response to wynnsfolly... and to deteleki... - [info]ethesis, 2007-11-09 03:33 am UTC (Expand)

(Anonymous)
2007-11-07 05:23 pm UTC (link)
When I see "cyberdragon", I don't think robot, I think virtual dragon. Like we send virtual hugs and kisses online to our friends and family around the world, or like some people send virtual cups of tea or invite others to a virtual fireplace. Imaginary. So at first I thought of poor dismembered Evangeline as a voluntary mass delusion - which has its own advantages as a story device, but wasn't at all who the poor dear was. Once I caught on that she was real but never alive, I kind of enjoyed watching the game of catch. Shame on me. Well, you tried to educate me about this once before, and I failed to learn. :) Maybe eventually.

Meg Umans

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for the feedback, Meg; it's interesting, and helpful.

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[info]foomf
2007-11-07 06:23 pm UTC (link)
From something in another comment here, I got the impression that you were positing the cyberdragons as a displacement mechanism - that for some reason there was an imperative, or perhaps a pandemic, that was making it necessary to cut WAY back, collectively, on having children.

Or perhaps it was a side-effect of the cyberdragons. They were presented earlier as affordable by even relatively un-wealthy people, and as having design features which somehow took advantage of brain wiring to hook into the human psyche where children and nurturing behviours are normally found, thus even displacing in some people the desire for children. This happened briefly and to a much milder way when the Cabbage Patch Kids were first invented - but there was also an element of social rebellion there, with women who replied to the demands of men (related and otherwise) that they should be pregnant and/or caring for their children (instead of working), by brandishing their cabbage-patch and saying, "THIS is all the child I want right now."

Some of the cognitive dissonance for me is that I don't see the cyberdragons interacting, and thus, don't see the reason why they would be able to override the demands of human children. If there are many fewer human children (disease causing infertility, or social pressures from overcrowding, or mandatory licensing for parents with a fitness-to-parent exam) then there would be a positive need for an outlet for nurturing instincts, and a cyberdragon would certainly have a market then.

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for the feedback; it helps a great deal. It seems to me that somewhere in the discussion of the earlier cyberdragon interviews we had established that people who weren't wealthy had to buy their cyberdragons on the installment plan... but maybe I'm only imagining that. I'll have to go check.

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Re: Response to foomf... - [info]lovecraftienne, 2007-11-07 06:52 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: Response to foomf... - [info]foomf, 2007-11-07 07:55 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]ozarque
2007-11-07 07:00 pm UTC (link)
I found the line I was thinking of, in the interview with the CEO; it says " Three weeks into it, we had to set up a separate division just to handle the installment plan orders for people who couldn't afford them otherwise."

You're right that nothing I've written about this fictional society has shown the cyberdragons interacting with the human beings, except for that brief bit about them sitting in people's laps and walking around holding people's hands, in the same interview. For example, I don't think any of the discussions ever took up the question of whether the cyberdragons communicate with the human beings in some way.

But then.... remember the article about the interaction between human beings and the two robots that were just old wheelchairs, and that communicated by printing out messages from printers in the seats of the wheelchairs? And the researchers were very surprised at how much effort people put into getting the robots to produce those messages?

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[info]indefatigable42
2007-11-07 06:59 pm UTC (link)
I have to go back and read the rest of these again! I can't remember enough of the details to decide whether cyberdragons are genuine artificial intelligence or just convincing toys. That's the big thing that plays catch with my opinions when I read these. Whether I feel sympathy for people who own and love them or whether I think these people are silly depends on that.

In a neat little coincidence, I ran across an article about Pleo this morning. Pleo is a toy robot that is similar to Aibo or RoboRaptor, but instead of looking like a robot and doing clever tricks, it looks like a cuddly animal and is designed to interact with people in a lifelike way.

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[info]indefatigable42
2007-11-07 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Went back and read them. Can't tell one way or the other. :)

It's funny that on the one hand people talk about cyberdragons as if they were less of a burden than children, but on the other hand there are clearly plenty of people who spend as much money on their dragons as they would on children.

If cyberdragons can't really feel or think, and are only performing robots, the whole phenomenon is a bit sad. It would be nice if those people would use their time and money to care for, say, a dog that would otherwise live rough on the street or end up euthanized in a shelter.

If they really are as sentient as animals, if they can actually return the love that people give them, if they have enough self-preservation programming to want to avoid being damaged, it's atrocious that the humankinders would destroy them wantonly.

I'm not sure what I think about a company that would make sentient toys to be used as substitutes for children or pets.

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-08 03:27 pm UTC (link)
I've seen the ads for Pleo, and have been paying close attention. [It's very hard these days for sf writers to stay ahead of developments in the real world, because everything happens so fast now.] To me, the Pleo is very different from my mental image of the cyberdragons... but of course there's no way anyone could know that, since I'm not able to post an illustration.

I suppose I could crochet a cyberdragon, and post a photo of it at Flickr .... maybe after the holidays.

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[info]dorianegray
2007-11-07 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Oddly enough, the main thing I came out of this story with was a strong desire to know what Alstrina's Syndrome is.

Don't ask me why.

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-08 08:16 am UTC (link)
(michael farris)

My main quibble is linguistic. Namely I find it strange that people still say 'cyberdragon' (four syllables that don't exactly roll off the tongue) every single time.

I'd expect (especially once everyone has one or more) that people would call them other things like 'dragons' or 'cybes' or 'cybeedrags' or something with baby (how they're treating them) 'dragon babies', 'cyebabies' 'babydrags'.

I can understand why you might want to keep repeating cyberdragons though.

Random other thoughts:

the problem of pirated cyberdragons,
defective cyberdragons (failure to bond?),
rivalry between children and cyberdragons,
cyberdragon porn (blame the internet(!),
cyberdragon abuse (and vigilantes punishing them?)

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[info]dulcinbradbury
2007-11-08 03:24 pm UTC (link)
In this particular story, calling them "dragons" or "babydrags" would work though, since later the reporter points out that it's a machine that *can't* feel. In fact, the audience might initially side with the woman, then realize, "Wait, she's all worked up over a machine?!"

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[info]ozarque
2007-11-08 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Aha. You're right -- the term would have evolved, and I like your suggestions. I like your "Random other thoughts" too. My only quibble is that I perceive "cyberdragon" as such a lovely rolls-trippingly-off-the-tongue word. There's no accounting for tastes...

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