ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
@ 2007-07-30 09:20:00
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Linguistics; medical language; a sea change....
I'm rushed today because my agent has things for me to do, but I did want to send this post, even if I had to do it far too hastily, while the details are still fresh in my mind.

As you already know, I spent last Thursday in a hospital Emergency Department, and I spent most of Friday in the hospital. [After not having been in a hospital other than as a visitor or a troubleshooter/linguist for many many years.] And I cannot tell you how happy I am to be able to report the following:

I did not encounter one hostile or impatient or cross -- or even arrogant -- word from a medical professional during the entire time that I was there. Not one word. And not a single item of body language of any of those kinds either. Everyone -- doctors, nurses, aides, administrators, clerks, technicians -- was unfailingly and without exception kind and courteous and pleasant. This despite the fact that the language environment was a classic format for hostility, as in...


1. The patient was a little old lady.

2. Both the ER and the hospital were horrendously crowded and busy.

3. The little old lady in question several times refused medication that people wanted to give to her and tests that people wanted her to have.

4. The little old lady in question was -- during the Emergency Department stay -- accompanied by a grumpy and impatient old man.


Despite all of four of these factors: never a cross word; never a cross item of bodyparl. And here's an astonishing anecdote to finish up with...

At one point my husband went to the ER nursing station and found only a doctor there, and the following dialogue took place:

Doctor: "Can I help you?"
George: "When one of the nurses gets back, could you ask them to come unhook Suzette from all the machines so that she can use the restroom?"
Doctor: "Oh, we don't have to wait for a nurse. I can do that."

And he did. Immediately. And pleasantly.

Glory be.


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[info]londonbard
2007-07-30 02:26 pm UTC (link)
I don't know the US but, in the UK, that might mean one of two things.

1) you have received a genuine miracle,

2) You were recognized as an eminent linguist and blogger who could feed back on treatment received!

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[info]ozarque
2007-07-30 03:37 pm UTC (link)
I don't know about the miracle -- that is, I would prefer to think that it's a General Miracle, available to all patients and their families everywhere, not an individual miracle aimed only at me. But I am 100 percent certain that I wasn't recognized as an eminent anything whatsoever.

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[info]bearfuz
2007-07-30 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Hooray for that! I hope, though, that he at least remembered to wash his hands and/or use gloves as prescribed -- something nurses tend to remember more than doctors do, from what I've read.

Glad to hear you dodged a bullet *and* had a pleasant linguistic surprise!

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Response to bearfuz.... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:39 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]dichroic
2007-07-30 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Is there somewhere else you can pass this comment on? Hospital administrator, local newspaper, supervisors of people concerned... I mean, of course, *after* you feel much better, which I hope happens very quickly!

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Response to dichroic... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:41 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to dichroic... - [info]writerwench, 2007-07-30 06:13 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to dichroic... - [info]zianuray, 2007-07-30 06:38 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]idiotgrrl
2007-07-30 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Or that an entirely new generation of medical professionals, whose training may have addressed these issues, is now on deck. Remember, the medpros of our youth were trained in the very mechanistic philosophy of the period - everything sterile, don't spoil the child, lay people were ignorant and women hysterical, etc, psychological problems were all the fault of mothers who were too cold or too clinging, and highly trained and qualified scientific professionals were the salvation of the world. Very few people today remember what it was like - or that there was a massive revolt against such attitudes that started in the 1960s and has now seeped into the public consciousness. We now live in times when a medical practitioner in the Navajo Nation will consult a medicine man - and Medicare might even cover it.

Praise be to progress.

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(no subject) - [info]haikujaguar, 2007-07-30 03:12 pm UTC (Expand)
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Response to idiotgrrl... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:44 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to idiotgrrl... - (Anonymous), 2007-07-30 04:25 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]dolmena, 2007-07-30 04:48 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]leora, 2007-07-30 07:05 pm UTC (Expand)
Yes - I see generational and cultural differences - [info]perlandria, 2007-07-30 07:48 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]cbpotts
2007-07-30 02:48 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you had a positive experience! I think you were in the presence of a miracle. *smile*

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Response to cbpotts... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:44 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]artfulruin
2007-07-30 03:18 pm UTC (link)
My recent hospital experience as the mother of an eight-year-old patient was similar.

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Response to artfulruin... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to artfulruin... - [info]artfulruin, 2007-07-31 06:57 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]hilleviw
2007-07-30 03:25 pm UTC (link)
May I say that it always disconcerts me a little when you describe yourself as a "little old lady"? You were born in the same year as my dad, and while I'm ready to confess he may no longer be young, he doesn't seem old to me, at all. As for little, it may be true of your physical stature, but as that is not what I encounter, it is not what I perceive. Your intellectual and emotional stature is huge, and so I imagine you to have enormous personal presence. That you are a lady, however, seems indisputable.

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Response to hilleviw.... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to hilleviw.... - [info]mamadeb, 2007-07-30 04:36 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to hilleviw.... - [info]kelsied, 2007-07-30 05:33 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to hilleviw.... - [info]mamadeb, 2007-07-30 05:42 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to hilleviw.... and to mamadeb... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 09:09 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to hilleviw.... and to mamadeb... - [info]mamadeb, 2007-07-31 12:19 am UTC (Expand)

[info]mamadeb
2007-07-30 03:30 pm UTC (link)
I had a very positive experience myself last week, when I had to spend a couple of hours in the ER to get an injury tended - and this was in a NYC hospital, so I was very impressed.

I didn't see a physician, but all I needed was the nurse-practitioner and his LPN assistant, and they were both gentle and skilled, and quite thorough and patient.

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Response to mamadeb... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:55 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Response to mamadeb... - [info]mamadeb, 2007-07-30 04:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Wow
[info]ysabetwordsmith
2007-07-30 03:30 pm UTC (link)
It sounds like a minor miracle to me too. I'd say send them a handwritten thank-you note. They probably never get any, and the best way to encourage desired behavior is to praise it.

As for a cause, maybe the Universe feels bad that your books didn't arrive in time for Conestoga.

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Re: Wow... response to ysabetwordsmith... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 03:57 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Wow... response to ysabetwordsmith... - (Anonymous), 2007-07-31 03:08 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]coraa
2007-07-30 03:36 pm UTC (link)
That is wonderful.

I would like to believe that this is an indicator of a change in the way medpros are trained to communicate. That may be unnecessarily optimistic, but then, I believe that a reasonable and well-considered optimism (as opposed to wishful thinking, with which it is often confused) can be a powerful force for good, as it 'feeds' positive attention to things that deserve it.

I am delighted to hear this.

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Response to coraa... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-30 04:00 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]blonde222
2007-07-30 04:01 pm UTC (link)
Which country was this in? Surely not the UK?

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(no subject) - [info]writerwench, 2007-07-30 06:16 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]karenkay
2007-07-30 04:06 pm UTC (link)
I had a hospital stay a couple of years ago that was pretty much like that. So I think things are getting better. I remember getting as much explanation as I could handle about everything, even from the surgeon.

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[info]mhari_lindhaven
2007-07-30 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I have to second the sentiment - last September when I was in the hospital for congestive heart failure, I was treated with respect and dignity, especially by the ICU nurses. I was very grateful to have had a swift and positive recovery from the ordeal, which I think was helped by the attitude of the hospital staff.

So glad to hear you're on the mend, and as feisty as ever. :-)

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Civility
[info]hfx_ben
2007-07-30 04:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure you're familiar with M. Scott Peck. He wrote a book on something like the death of civility.

When I was doing my life-research on unionism/socialism/cooperatism I spent a lot of time pondering the civil-service and such. I came to the conclusion that our civil society is on the verge of collapse when such basically well-intentioned movements get bummed out.

Heartening to hear that folk are taking responsibility for their mundane behaviour!

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Re: Civility - [info]idiotgrrl, 2007-07-30 05:35 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]hfx_ben, 2007-07-30 06:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]idiotgrrl, 2007-07-30 07:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]hfx_ben, 2007-07-30 11:13 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]kelsied, 2007-07-31 03:35 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]hfx_ben, 2007-07-31 06:40 pm UTC (Expand)
That wasn't clear - [info]hfx_ben, 2007-07-31 07:02 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: That wasn't clear... or civil. - [info]kelsied, 2007-08-02 03:02 am UTC (Expand)
Re: That wasn't clear... or civil. - [info]hfx_ben, 2007-08-02 03:49 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]idiotgrrl, 2007-07-30 07:24 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Civility - [info]almeda, 2007-08-02 03:45 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]cynthia1960
2007-07-30 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Wow, this is a very good and encouraging story. A letter to the hospital administrator is definitely in order, and if you could add one to the ER department, that would be great.

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[info]jehannamama
2007-07-30 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Some doctors are really nice... May you always get the respect and care you deserve, there.

I hope you are feeling better soon.

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Response to jehannamama.... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 01:53 pm UTC (Expand)
Hospitals and banks
[info]hagsrus
2007-07-30 08:56 pm UTC (link)
This has brightened my day considerably.

My own recent NYC medical experiences included gall bladder and knee surgery, and generally I found the staff friendly and considerate. My main gripe was with the unknown person who forgot to tell the computer that I had left the hospital after a pre-surgical test, and computer insisted I was still there three days later so couldn't be admitted for the main event ... and the section that could fix that was offline, so tough luck ...

Well, they got it cleared just in time and everything else was fine.

And on another topic, over the last few years I've found that banks are far more friendly, at least on the people-to-people end of things. As if one's low-balance business is actually valued. (And new free accounts don't hurt -- I was astonished that they converted my longtime business accounts to free without a murmur.)

Wondering why the business bank (HSBC) has all its tellers locked away behind security windows while my personal bank (Commerce) has an open counter and a dog drinking dish in the ATM lobby. Perhaps any potential robbers figure Commerce must have something really deadly tucked away!

Suzette, I'm so glad you had such a good experience!

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[info]hoosier_red
2007-07-30 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh, dear -- I must've missed the post about you going into the hospital! I'm glad that you got out unscathed, and that the experience was (well, apart from having to be there in the first place) a positive one.

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Response to hoosier_red... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 02:15 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]rahaeli
2007-07-31 02:06 am UTC (link)
I have actually found in my dealings with the medical profession -- frequent and varied -- that the split of "traditional doctor God complexes" and "empathic and understanding medical professionals" is swinging far closer to 50/50 than it was even a few years ago (when I was seeing 80/20 or so). I'm not entirely sure what to credit the change to -- there are a lot of possible reasons -- but whatever it is, I'm tremendously glad for it! It also helps that I've found a primary practitioner who, when told of some of my horror stories, looked at me in shock and said "I really don't know why these people practice medicine."

I'm glad you had a good experience this week, and I wish you swift healing.

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Response to rahaeli... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 02:13 pm UTC (Expand)
speaking in and of hospitals
[info]elinedw
2007-07-31 02:19 am UTC (link)
This conversation comes right at a time when hospitals have become my life (my husband has been hospitalized since the 4th of June) -- and we have had an experience as positive as the one Suzette relates in her initial post.

From the firefighters and ambulance attendants to the nurses and doctors and staff in the emergency room and acute care and dialysis and up on the medical floor and now the physical therapists and assorted others at the rehab hospital: there has been only one, just one single person who did not treat him with respect and dignity, competence and intelligence and good humour.

We've learned a lot about communication and language, too: how much we still live in an oral culture (how procedures are passed on, not through written instructions, but by one nurse showing another), about how those supposedly "intuitive" iconic symbols on hospitals beds (that are not consistent from one style of bed to another) just confuse half of the staff who have to use them, and so on.

And an observation about THIS conversation:

I'm not sure where I contracted the cynicism, but I found myself actually surprised at the nearly unanimous resistance to falling into the temptations of the "isn't it awful" mindset instead.

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Re: speaking in and of hospitals... response to elinedw... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 01:57 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]kelsied
2007-07-31 03:13 am UTC (link)
Glad you're doing well, ozarque. Hospital visits are never fun, no matter how nice the doctors and nurses are... *grins*

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Response to kelsied... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 02:09 pm UTC (Expand)

(Anonymous)
2007-07-31 03:56 am UTC (link)
Just goes to show that it's generally not accurate to generalize about "hospitals" or "doctors" or "nurses." There are all kinds. I've been a doctor for forty years and have found that doctors and nurses are primarily just people. Some are nice, some are jerks, some are distant, etc, etc. Re doctors, being treated as something special over and over can get you thinking it's true. What's straightened me out has been marriage to a nurse who has called me on it when I get snippy with nurses, and she's been right. And being a patient myself has taught me that what matters most is the feeling that your doctor really cares about you.

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Response to Someone MD... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 02:01 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]dextr
2007-07-31 01:13 pm UTC (link)
I'd say that, since you have spent the past few decades working with medical professionals on their communciation skills, this means that you have succeeded.

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Response to dextr... - [info]ozarque, 2007-07-31 02:02 pm UTC (Expand)
Its a conspiracy
[info]dmsherwood53
2007-07-31 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Their trying to keep us guessing

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