ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
@ 2006-03-06 14:28:00
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Recommended link; gender and language....
Recommended -- the "Tough Language, Woman" comic strip posted at Language Log this morning -- http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002901.html#more .

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[info]the_gneech
2006-03-06 02:33 pm UTC (link)
You might find this interesting:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article.asp?aid=12103069_1

-TG

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[info]ozarque
2006-03-06 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Interesting -- for sure. Thank you for posting the link.

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[info]bc_
2006-03-06 03:51 pm UTC (link)
BTW, it seems to depict women as extremely violent and unbalanced creatures.

Do you recommend to accept that view, too?

:)

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[info]ozarque
2006-03-06 05:14 pm UTC (link)
I was surprised by your question -- and puzzled. I printed out the article and read it again, and I'm still puzzled. That is, I don't see anything in the article that depicts women as "extremely violent and unbalanced creatures."

Perhaps this is yet another example of a generation gap problem..... I don't know. In any case, the answer is no, I don't recommend accepting that depiction of women.

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[info]bc_
2006-03-06 05:28 pm UTC (link)
I meant the comic strip :)

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[info]invader_tak_1
2006-03-06 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I don't see it either. :/



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[info]bc_
2006-03-06 06:12 pm UTC (link)
When I open the link above, I see the following on the top of page:

http://ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/OpusWoman.gif

Can you see it?

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[info]ozarque
2006-03-06 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Aha; that didn't occur to me.

But with regard to the comic strip, I still don't think the idea is that women are violent. It may be that the man who's trying to "talk woman" is a tad bit aggressive, but it's clear -- unless I'm completely misunderstanding the strip -- that readers aren't supposed to accept what he's offering as accurate.

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[info]bc_
2006-03-06 06:33 pm UTC (link)
OK, that was a detail that stroke me. Immediately. So, if the authors' idea wasn't that (some) readers should perceive the pics thusly, they... failed. Didn't they?

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[info]starcat_jewel
2006-03-06 07:15 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I don't see that strip as arguing the "two-culture theory" at all. I see it as a resounding argument for the ONE-culture theory. Steve's error is to assume that women are alien creatures who speak a different language, and he therefore tries to interact with them as objects instead of people. In effect, he causes his own problems -- as, IMO, does any man who insists that women are incomprehensible aliens.

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Understandable reaction...
(Anonymous)
2006-03-06 08:22 pm UTC (link)
As a woman who has had the experience of sitting, talking with female friends, and having a male come up to speak from the assumption that we were 1) gossiping, or 2) taking about our weight, or 3) complaining about our moms, or 3) any number of other supposed "girl talk" subjects, when we were actually talking politics, with a little book reviewing interspersed (and btw, nonfiction, current events books), I can understand the humorous reaction depicted in the cartoon.

And it's not just women. I remember a party when a new guy kept insisting on talking "guy talk" with the other men in the group. After verbal and other polite attempts to dissuade the guy from continuing failed, the other men performed such a tidy and efficient job of "cutting the guy out of the herd and leaving him isolated" that I've never forgotten watching the whole episode.

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