ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
@ 2005-12-14 14:05:00
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An idea from Language Log.....
The December 13th post "From TV To Text," by Benjamin Zimmer -- at http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog -- is a report on a partnership between the Google Foundation and the PlanetRead project. PlanetRead is trying to increase literacy in India by running text captions across the bottom of the television screen during tv shows to provide "literacy practice" for viewers.

This caught my attention because it seems to me to be one way you could spread basic health care information -- like the basic nutrition information for pregnant women and infants under the age of two that we were discussing here a little while back -- in the United States. IF people would actually read it, and not just ignore it the way you can ignore the trailers running across the bottom of the screen on news and financial channels.

You'll remember that a number of commenters said putting that information into printed materials wasn't the way to go, that the medium had to be television. I wonder if running those basics in very brief simple-vocabulary lines of text across the bottom of the screen during soap opera scenes involving women and little kids would work for at least part of the audience, for example?

Maybe it would be perceived as helpful. Maybe it would be ignored. And maybe it would be perceived as intrusive and patronizing and insulting....


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nutrition commercials
[info]eclectic338
2005-12-14 02:20 pm UTC (link)
Does anybody remember the grammer commercials way-back-when that were common during Saturday morning cartoons and after school cartoons? All I remember off the top of my head is 'conjunction junction', but if you prompted me with the first couple words I could still quote the rest. :-) The were quick, bright, catchy and fun commercials. Could we do the same thing for nutrition and air them during soap opera times? Or give Oprah a call and see if she'll foot the bill to air them during her show.

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Re: nutrition commercials
[info]trinker
2005-12-14 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Schoolhouse Rock.

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Re: nutrition commercials
[info]eclectic338
2005-12-14 02:29 pm UTC (link)
30th Anniversagy Edition DVD!!! There is no way in the world I am that old! :-) Thanks for the link, it'd make an interesting christmas present for my kids... although most of them are already to old for it. Noooo... It's too early in the morning to be facing my age. :-)

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Re: nutrition commercials
[info]archangelbeth
2005-12-14 04:39 pm UTC (link)
There was also one -- which is NOT on the Schoolhouse Rock DVD, drat it all -- that had "Exercise your choppers on some good hard food!"

*goes off singing, "your molars grind, your canines tear, incisors bite right through..."*

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Re: nutrition commercials
[info]nolly
2005-12-14 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I hanker for a hunk-a, a sliver or a chunk-a, I hanker for a hunk-a cheese!

The same series had one about making juice pops with an ice cube tray, some plastic wrap, and toothpicks.

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Re: nutrition commercials
[info]dpolicar
2005-12-14 09:18 pm UTC (link)
And "milkavegabreadameatabeanameatafruit," or something along those lines, about vitamins.

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[info]elfwreck
2005-12-14 02:40 pm UTC (link)
It would probably *mostly* be ignored... but parts of it would trickle through. Attach it to an "ad campaign" with "commercials" with catchy tunes, and it'd be stuck in people's memories forever. (If the national health orgs ever really want kids to understand the food pyramid, they should make a song for it. Preferably something awful, and to the tune of "Jingle Bells.")

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[info]muffyjo
2005-12-14 02:59 pm UTC (link)
A very good friend of mine has a child who was born deaf (he actually can "hear" with the help of a hearing aid). She was told that running the captions would not only help him to read sooner but to understand what was going on. It has worked, he's been a voracious reader since about 4 and at 8 it's hard to keep up with him. :)

I'm not sure that without the spoken words to backup what's being said on the screen that people will pay as much attention. You also want to be careful of people thinking it's "subliminal" advertising.

One approach that my mother's high school has taken is to try and teach multiple topics at once. For instance, it's a school with strong support for equine competition so many of the students there have horses. When practicing their jumps, the teacher will talk about physics of what the horse is doing and what the angle of the jump is. In french class they will talk about the War of 1812 in french while in History they are discussing it in English.

I think the best approach is to incorporate the topic of nutrition with other topics of interest at the same time. The more directions you can find to approach it, the more likely one of them will resonate with an audience member and stick.

Not sure that's helpful.

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[info]geojlc
2005-12-14 03:41 pm UTC (link)
It's a very interesting idea. However, except for closed captioning, I have a very difficult time following the ticker text on TV. I get all distracted by the audio/visual already provided by the show. It doesn't matter if it's a line of breaking news or the subtitles in an anime.

Granted, I have some known learning disablities and ADD, but I, personally, probably would not be able to get information that way.

Now, put it in a catchy commercial jingle and I'd probably be stuck with it for life...

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[info]dichroic
2005-12-14 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Seems like the whole thing would make a good actual plot for one of any number of sitcoms. The main character could have more or less your problem, with a friend or acquaintance who is feeding her babies the Pepsi-and-fast-food diet. (I think it would need to be a specific acquaintance, not just people in the neighborhood in general.) She could have some information (maybe from her own birthing/motherhood classes?) about what poor nutrition can do, and would spend much of the show figuring out how to give the informaiton to her friend without being offensive.

At least, it's better than a lot of plots I've seen.

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[info]lyonesse
2005-12-14 04:17 pm UTC (link)
maybe it could go into children's educational teevee like "sesame street"? you know, cute short bits with muppets and songs? even if the moms didn't internalize it, it seems likely that the children would.....

(personal confession: i cited "schoolhouse rock" in my doctoral dissertation :)

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[info]nolly
2005-12-14 08:02 pm UTC (link)
They've made some effort along those lines -- the was Captain Vegetable (early 80s?) and Cookie Monster's repertoire now includes the song "Healthy Food" and the concept "Cookies are a sometimes food". (There's probably more examples; I'm not a regular Sesame Street viewer these days.)

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(Anonymous)
2005-12-14 04:39 pm UTC (link)
(Michael Farris)

I'm tempted to check these out, but the screen save at languagelog is confusing, they simultaneously have a message in one language (Telugu) twice, once in traditional Telugu script and in the roman alphabet (not suited to Telugu without some messing around with it) and then a translation into English underneath. How this is supposed to be useful in practicing literacy is a mystery. It seems more likely to overwhelm or confuse the viewer (perhaps the real aim).

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[info]0ccam
2005-12-14 04:44 pm UTC (link)
My German instructor in college began learning German from watching Operas that were "supertitled"--English words projected ABOVE the stage.

Also...I read about the PlanetRead project on Google's "official blog" and thought that it certainly is NOT a bad idea. I just don't know if it's a GOOD idea.

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(Anonymous)
2005-12-14 05:09 pm UTC (link)
(Michael Farris)

One of the things I love about dvd's are the soundtrack and subtitling options. Where I live it's common to have four or more soundtracks and up to 20 or so different subtitles.
It's still not great for matching sound and text because often the dialogue and subtitles differ too much.

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[info]nolly
2005-12-14 08:06 pm UTC (link)
I don't think that related text in a subtitle/ticker would work; it's too hard to process two language-streams (spoken dialogue, printed info) at the same time. I like the "sitcom character educating friend" approach, although it seems very difficult to do successfully.

As we've demonstrated above, interstitials during Saturday morning cartoons seem to stick well with kids; hopefully, that will influence how we feed our own kids. (Those who have them, at any rate.)

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[info]trinker
2005-12-15 10:13 pm UTC (link)
Apropos of this discussion, I thought I'd bring the work of a friend of mine to your attention:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/lnc/29533.html

Sounds to me like maybe a not-overtly-preachy set of lyrics to a catchy tune might work.

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Response to trinker....
[info]ozarque
2006-01-05 07:44 pm UTC (link)
It has taken me forever to respond to this -- I'm sorry. Your friend's work is impressive; thank you for the link, and for the useful suggestion.

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Re: Response to trinker....
[info]trinker
2006-01-05 09:36 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Suzette, please don't fret about the delay! I'm glad you found the link useful.

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