ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
@ 2005-12-12 13:53:00
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Linguistics; pragmatics; Cows In Your Front Yard, and Computer Mode
[info]wilfulcait commented:
"I probably should know this, but how would you address the cow issue in computer mode?"


The problem is that your neighbor's cows are in your front yard, and you -- not a native speaker of Ozark English -- know they need to be retrieved and returned to that neighbor's pasture. So, using Computer Mode as a communication strategy, you could say any one of these ten things, just for starters:

1. "Well, cows in the front yard are always a problem."
2. "Nobody needs cows in their front yard."
3. "Watching the cows in the front yard heading for home is always a pleasure."
4. "Cows in the front yard .... that's always going to be a messy situation."
5. "As everybody knows, cows that can make it to the front yard can make it to the highway."
6. "The only safe place for a cow is its own pasture."
7. "Cows in the front yard are about as useful as Congress in session."
8. "Even people who are fond of cows don't want them in the front yard."
9. "Cows in the front yard can ruin anybody's day."
10. "Garden ornaments in the front yard are one thing; cows in the front yard are a different thing altogether."

The pattern for Computer Mode -- whether you're dealing with cows in your yard or any other problem -- is simple: Use neutral intonation and body language; avoid all personal language; use abstractions and generics and platitudes; focus on the behavior rather than on the person. The goal is to say something that is courteous, that is appropriate, and that no reasonable person is likely to disagree with.


That's why the following sentence -- in which the word "you" occurs but is the equivalent of the formal "one," and not in any way personal -- is so useful as an all-purpose utterance:

"Well, you can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks."


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Note: Credit for the Computer Mode pattern -- but not for the train-track utterance -- goes to therapist Virginia Satir.


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[info]wetdryvac
2005-12-12 02:20 pm UTC (link)
Mention of neutral kinesics and tone here would be critical in my region (Maine) where similar phrasing with dry tone would imply a definite negative regard of the cow's owners. Having grown up with that presentation, especially around those born prior to 1940 or so, means I tend misinterpret much of the patterning for computer mode.

Given how loaded (by association with typical Maine native sarcasm and humor types) the phrasing is locally, I'm not sure that even with neutral tone and posture I'd be able to present this in a manner that wouldn't be assumed to be offensive by some.

I'm curious as to how this compares to other regions - not for computer mode specifically, but for any pre-organized method of speech. There must be some other examples of presentions from one region/method working terribly with folks who see, due to local traits, such things as something other.

*looks up*

And today I can't seem to construct a proper sentance, but the meaning is in there somewhere. Apologies.

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the meaning is in there somewhere....
[info]ozarque
2005-12-12 02:35 pm UTC (link)
No apologies needed -- I follow you. I've got to be away for a few hours this morning, but when I get back I'll try to post a proper response. Thanks for the comment.

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[info]wilfulcait
2005-12-12 02:49 pm UTC (link)
I'm trying to think of how you do this in the context we were discussing (neighbor's cows in yard; communication via telephone). You call up and you say... what? "Good morning, Bobby, this is Doris down the road. How are you this morning?" "Fine, and you?" "Well, cows in the front yard are always a problem."

I feel like I'm missing something here.

Cows in the yard are never going to be my problem, but neighbors' slightly aggressive dogs are, so this is a very practical discussion for me.

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(Anonymous)
2005-12-12 03:22 pm UTC (link)
This then becomes an interesting exercise in logic.

"The only safe place for a cow is its pasture." ok.
"So we need to make sure that all cows are only in their own pastures at all times." ok.
"So we need a monitoring system on all cows and all pigs and all horses and all humans at all times..."

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Which way the train went...
[info]kelathefinn
2005-12-12 03:22 pm UTC (link)
I assume the train track utterance is Ozark English? I like it very much and am adding it to my list of examples for the Intro to Linguistics class... Thanks.

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Re: Which way the train went...
[info]ozarque
2005-12-12 06:51 pm UTC (link)
I don't think there's anything overtly Ozark (or overtly nonstandard, for that matter) about the train track utterance. Plus, I have no idea where I got it. That is -- for all I know, it's from Wittgenstein.

What I do know is that it's a sentence you can slip into almost any argument, especially if you say it with earnestness and solemnity, and the results are always interesting. People say things like, "You know, I never thought of it that way!" It's a very reliable hostility-diffuser.

Unfortunately, it's time-limited; you can never get away with it with the same person twice.

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[info]neonchameleon
2005-12-12 03:27 pm UTC (link)
What is the purpose of Computer Mode? My instinctive reaction is to read it as passive aggression.

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[info]rosefox
2005-12-12 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Likewise.

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[info]beckyzoole
2005-12-12 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I'd agree that it's easy to read it as passive aggression, although that's not what it's intended to be. It's intended to be an effective means of defense against hostile speech.

I've run into it in person, from a friend who's read many of the "Gentle Art" books. From my experience with her, I'd say that Computer Mode is very difficult to do correctly. My friend would be trying to be completely neutral, but usually end up sounding supercilious or sarcastic.

And when there's no hostility directed against someone in the first place -- when the listener has been a bit paranoid or overly-defensive and misinterpreted the situation -- a reply in Computer Mode can really sound insulting. The speaker says something that they think is friendly, and gets a neutral, impersonal response... it's off-putting.

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7. "Cows in the front yard are about as useful as Congress in session."
[info]aenodia
2005-12-12 06:35 pm UTC (link)
I love this one, but it sounds like a hybrid of Mark Twain and Computer Mode

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Re: 7. "Cows in the front yard are about as useful as Congress in session."
[info]ozarque
2005-12-12 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Precisely. Mark Twain was a native speaker (and writer, obviously) of Ozark English.

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Re: 7. "Cows in the front yard are about as useful as Congress in session."
[info]wetdryvac
2005-12-12 07:41 pm UTC (link)
My goodness. Never realized that. All of a sudden my connection with the language subset is a lot clearer. Of course, now I have to go look up notes and recordings on the fellow who spent years impersonating Twain on stage to see how accurately people think he represented the man.

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The gentle art of verbal self-defense for the holidays
[info]sculpin
2005-12-12 08:14 pm UTC (link)
That is a fine all-purpose utterance. I'll practice it.

Do you happen to have a list of all-purpose utterances that you'd be willing to share? I'd be grateful to see it. The holidays are coming up, and I'm having a difficult situation with my mother-in-law of two years. We're having that classic trouble working out the relationship boundaries; I haven't been skilled enough to help her level together with me, except insofar as she's declared that leveling is abhorrent. Now we're going to be stuck in the same room with her extended family for an evening, and I predict a 70% chance of baroquely camouflaged VAP. My verbal judo with the Distracting Mode is not so good, and for right now I just want to get through the night without worsening the situation or drawing more people into it. So I'll be sticking closely to Computer Mode, and I expect to have plenty of call for the all-purpose neutral utterance.

I suspect I'm not the only reader who's thinking, "Christmas -- gruesome," this time of year. If you have any tips for appearing appropriately festive while still maintaining the Computer Mode's neutral speech and body language, I would very much like to hear them. Is such a thing even possible?

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Re: The gentle art of verbal self-defense for the holidays
[info]sculpin
2005-12-12 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Whoops! I'd missed or forgotten your promise not to do more verbal self-defense posts in this journal.

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Re: The gentle art of verbal self-defense for the holidays
[info]ozarque
2005-12-13 03:06 pm UTC (link)
That's all right -- there's no way you could have been expected to remember that. Plus, I'm the one who opened a verbal self-defense discussion; obviously, I had also forgotten. My emergency shortlist of suggestions for the problem you describe goes like this:

1. Listen more than you talk. It's hard to get into conversational trouble if what you're doing is listening.
2. Never take the bait; when you respond with hostility to a hostile utterance you're feeding a Hostility Loop.
3. Rely heavily on Computer Mode and on the Boring Baroque Response.

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Re: The gentle art of verbal self-defense for the holidays
[info]sculpin
2005-12-13 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Baroque Boring! Thank you -- I had actually forgotten that I could do that! A while back I made the mistake of giving my copy of your GAVSD away to a friend, when what I wish I'd done is buy her a new copy. I ought to get another copy for myself and sit down to take a refresher. I knew of Baroque Boring, and it's a skill I've used to great effect in the past, but this week my mind was so tangled up and reactive that I plain forgot all about it. Goodness.

So I'm practicing saying excruciatingly dull things, and I'm also practicing my Computer Mode, which is a little rusty. I may wind up sounding kind of wooden and weird, but that's certainly a whole lot better than what's going on now.

And just in case I go blank at an especially difficult time, I have concocted an endless, boring, tangent-filled non-story about sandwiches. I do like sandwiches and can talk about them with a straight face for hours if need be, and food appears to be a neutral-to-slightly-positive subject in that family. My guess is that it won't be long until some bystander chimes in with, "I like sandwiches too! My favorite is grilled cheese!" And then we can all have a fine conversation about great sandwiches we have known, which will be much better than, say, a conversation about how despicable I may or may not be.

Wow, do I feel better having recognized that I have tools to take on this situation and keep my principles intact without causing World War III -- or breaking down into a teary heap. Thank you!

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Re: The gentle art of verbal self-defense for the holidays
[info]sculpin
2005-12-13 11:45 pm UTC (link)
(Or, rather, Boring Baroque.)

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[info]metalfatigue0
2005-12-13 04:29 am UTC (link)
I have never been reliably able to produce utterances in neutral tone. They almost always slip into dry tone. This can often be a source of difficulty.

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[info]ozarque
2005-12-13 03:12 pm UTC (link)
That's a real problem, and not a trivial one. There are two possibilities:

1. You just need practice. If that's it, practice by saying things as neutrally as possible into a tape recorder (or similar device) and then listening to them and trying again, until you can deliberately get it right.

2. You're using dry tone because that matches your inner feelings; that is, you don't feel neutral when you say these things, and your body is betraying you. If that's it, re-word the utterance until it says something that you can say without setting up that sort of conflict. Like the medical professional who -- speaking to a patient he or she would rather never see again -- says "You'll need another appointment in two weeks" instead of "I want to see you again in two weeks."

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