ozarque ([info]ozarque) wrote,
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Barriers to getting rich....
[info]desert_born commented:
"It is certainly true that hard work will get you further along the road to riches than sitting and bitching will, but the implication of that statement is that hard work is the primary or only factor in acquiring wealth. But oftentimes, poverty has little to do with effort (similar fallacy: all poor people are lazy.) and much more to do with circumstance, environment, persistent health problems, lack of intelligence, lack of motivation, lack of language skills, lack of access to appropriate information, nutrition, health care, culture, etc."


The only underclass that I know enough about to say anything reliable is the underclass of poor rural colorless persons; it may be that for urban poor whites, and for poor people of color, nothing I'm about to say is relevant. But for poor rural whites, that long list of barriers to getting rich -- starting with "circumstance" and ending with "et cetera" -- is an interactive and interdependent list full of loops and knots. And I have come to believe that in this case the end of the string is in food and drink.

We know now that the human brain's plasticity doesn't end in the first few years of life as we once thought it did, but we also know that food and drink in the first two years (and during the months before birth) is critical to the normal development of the brain. Which is why it upsets me so much to see young parents in the rural coffeeshops and convenience stores and restaurants giving their babies a breakfast of Twinkies and Pepsi -- often Pepsi in a baby's bottle. These are hardworking devoted parents who are determined to do their very best for their children; they're not lazy, and they're not neglectful. If you were to suggest that the menu they're providing the little ones was flawed, and if you were able to find a way to suggest it that made them willing to answer you, you'd get one or both of the following responses: (a) that their parents had given them exactly that same menu, and it had never done them any harm; and/or (b) that Twinkies and Pepsi are the only things the child will _eat_ for breakfast. And they would be deeply hurt by your claim that they're not taking care of their children properly.

That kind of diet, plus enough pizza and hamburgers and fried chicken and biscuits-and-gravy and candy bars and "vegetables" cooked for hours with a chunk of ham, and ever-more-sugar-added canned and packaged food at the grocery store -- the standard diet for poor white pregnant women -- guarantees that the playing field won't be level for the child. And nothing on earth is harder than changing a culture's food-and-drink customs. Even if there were good solid nutrition classes at school (which "No Child Left Behind" leaves no room for in the curriculum), I'm not sure it would make any difference, because the information would be perceived as coming from city people, and "Look at the mess city people have made of their lives -- what do they know about anything?"

There's a desperate need for some Ozark equivalent to Oprah Winfrey, somebody who could get and hold people's attention and focus it on nutrition and make them willing to change this, a little at a time -- and no such charismatic figure has turned up yet. I don't think there's any hope for an end to the poor white underclass in the rural Ozarks until this nutritional problem is fixed, and I have no idea how to fix it. I don't know how to write a nutritional equivalent of The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense; if I did, I'd have done it long ago.

There's plenty of wealth in the Ozarks; we have the Waltons, for heaven's sakes. But for far too large a percentage of ordinary people, the barriers to getting rich are set up before birth and in the first two years. It has absolutely nothing to do with being afraid of hard work.


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[info]ruth_lawrence
2005-12-06 02:34 pm UTC (link)
I'm afraid you're right.

My mother worked with the generational poor, and held a workshop at the community house for young (very young!) mothers.

Turned out they thought it was the orange color in either orange juice or fake orange drink that contained the nutrition.

At least our pizza and burgers in Australia contain modest quantities of vegetables that are not overcooked...

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[info]orangemike
2005-12-06 02:52 pm UTC (link)
I used to work for the WIC program nutritionists here. Believe me, there are lots of "urban poor whites, and... poor people of color" that do the same thing; not all, but too many. Some of them will sign up for the WIC program, but then complain that it doesn't allow them to buy the non-nutritious crap that they want to buy! Some won't even sign up for the program, for that reason; food stamps at least allow you to buy a lot of worthless junk "foods."

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[info]mermaidjeans
2005-12-06 04:00 pm UTC (link)
I've seen a city person feed their grandchild cola as well and if memory serves, I think it was also in a bottle. I was horrified. It was one of those situations where I knew I should say something but also knew all too well it would do no good.

My complaint about WIC isn't the lack of junk food but the makeup of the coupons and the fact that it won't pay for organic food. So you've got a subtler problem going on there. The medical community, for instance, knows that when you feed someone fruit juice you might as well be feeding them liquid sugar. It actually isn't that nutritious a choice. But it's ubiquitous on WIC coupons. The milk? Your standard factory-farmed variety, and just about every conventional dairy company anymore uses rBGH in its cattle for greater milk production, and we still don't know what the long-term health effects will be. Vegetarian-fed hens produce more nutritious eggs than conventionally-fed hens, yet the only eggs WIC recipients are allowed to get are the conventional ones.

If food stamps let you get junk food, at least they also allow you to purchase organic food--or at least better food than the WIC borderline fare. That, at least, is something. Unfortunately, the poor--just exactly the ones who need to know about their food options--by and large know next to nothing about organic. Except for weirdoes like me who made a bunch of stupid decisions and wound up poor, but we're the exception, not the rule.

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[info]hilleviw
2005-12-06 03:31 pm UTC (link)
It's also just so expensive to be poor. When you're poor, you're more likely to need a loan to buy something like a car, and your interest rates are higher than for a person with lots of financial assets. You rent, so you never develop real estate equity and you don't get the mortgage tax break. You ride busses so you can't shop for more than you can carry, so you never get bulk discounts. You can't afford to pay in advance, so you don't get those discounts. You work for someone else, so the profits from your labor go to the company owner or shareholders. No one ever sends you free stuff because they want you to become a customer. And on, and on, and on. I truly get nauseous at the injustice and absurdity of how much cheaper life is when you have money.

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[info]mermaidjeans
2005-12-06 04:02 pm UTC (link)
On the other hand, some poor women are even more industrious with their money than their counterparts in the upper classes. They do not have the perception of "oh well, more where that came from" or "oh well, I get paid again in two weeks," or "oh well, so kiddo's got mediocre grades, I can pay her way through college." They know they've got to make every cent count. I've heard of women on welfare who managed to save for their kids' college. Of course they're setting themselves up to be harassed by the government--apparently, you don't need food stamps if you've got a few grand saved up for college tuition. Nope, you've got to have just about NOTHING.

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[info]carandol
2005-12-06 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Another reason why some people are poor while others are rich, which I don't think has been mentioned, is that some jobs are less valued than others, even though they're just as important. Keeping the streets clean, cooking food, nursing the sick, teaching kids, etc., are as important in the grand scheme of things as being a lawyer, a Hollywood actor, a football player, or the head of a large corporation. But they're not recognised by the system as such, even though you'd notice immediately if they stopped working. If people got paid a reasonable wage for doing crappy jobs that no-one enjoys, they wouldn't need to work all the hours god sends to get rich.

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[info]chipuni
2005-12-06 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Sadly, wages for some of those jobs depends on supply. Some of those jobs require very few special skills -- people can quickly learn to keep the streets clean or to cook food, therefore there's plenty of people to do those jobs.

On the other hand, I have no clue why nurses' salaries or teachers' salaries are so low. They're both very skilled jobs, requiring training after a Bachelor's degree.

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oo! oo! teacher, pick me! pick me! - [info]tarasrightfoot, 2005-12-06 09:24 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]shakatany
2005-12-06 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Somewhere I read about the idea to start a maximum wage limit that was probably a utopian idealist's notion but when I read that upper management make $431 for every dollar a worker earns I wish that would lead to some groundswell support for such a seemingly outlandish notion. Of course many wealthy people aren't paid by the hour like the actors who get paid millions per movie, athletes, those who earn money through investments etc but I keep hoping that it is an idea whose time will come very soon as the gap between the wealthy and the poor keeps growing wider in this country.

Shakatany

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writing about nutrition
(Anonymous)
2005-12-06 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. Suzette, I'm not as sure as you are that you don't know how to write a nutritional equivalent to your Gentle Art books. But you're talking about writing something that will motivate a specific population, aren't you? The poor white people of the Ozarks. Okay. I'm guessing that you can write in a style that will reach that population effectively. Sounds like your knowledge of nutrition is at least a bit better than the people's you want to educate, and that's all you need.

Another challenge is the presentation. Probably not a book. A series of pamphlets, maybe? You're the expert on which formats would be accepted. A series of newspaper columns? Clearly, if you decide to pursue this, it's not going to be a major moneymaker for you, if at all.

Meg Umans

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(no subject) - [info]tarasrightfoot, 2005-12-06 09:31 pm UTC (Expand)
more anecdotes.. look out...
[info]urox
2005-12-06 05:08 pm UTC (link)
A lot of my family started out underpriviledged. Those that did worked hard and provided an okay life for their kids. Some of those kids also decided to work hard and got somewhere.

Some of them didn't work hard and got nowhere because of it. I have relatives that college education was paid for (the parents actually did start out rural) and they are now only working minimum wage jobs. They had the education to be elsewhere, but they don't have the hard work ethic to do so, which I find incredibly odd considering their parents. They inherrited cash from their parents and promptly spent it all. My father even paid for one of my cousins to go to school since her minimum wage parent could not. She got pregnant and dropped out. She's unmarried, living in a relative's house, and decided to have a second kid that she can't support. These dead-beat blood relations of mine are un-colored and I am thoroughly convinced that it is their own fault having known and watched them my entire life and watched how they didn't use opportunities because they didn't want to do the work. There was no barrier to what they could still accomplish, then or now.

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Re: more anecdotes.. look out... - [info]leora, 2005-12-06 11:25 pm UTC (Expand)
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Nickel and Dimed
[info]plop75
2005-12-06 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Please, please read "Nickel and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich, a successful, educated, upper-middle class writer who decided to work at a succession of minimum wage jobs--waitressing, housecleaning, WalMarting--to see what the lives of the working poor are like.

Two long passages from her book (and I could have chosen dozens and dozens more):

"There are no secret economies that nourish the poor; on the contrary, there are a host of special costs. If you can't put up the two months' rent you need to secure an apartment, you end up paying through the nose for a room by the week. If you have only a room, with a hot plate at best, you can't save by cooking up huge lentil stews that can be frozen for the week ahead. You eat fast food or the hot dogs and Styrofoam cups of soup that can be microwaved in a convenience store. If you have no money for health insurance . . . you go without routine care or prescription drugs and end up paying the price."

"The 'working poor,' as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. They neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for; they live in substandard housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect; they endure privation so that inflation will be low and stock prices high. To be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else. As . . . one of my restaurant coworkers put it, 'You give and you give.'"

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Re: Nickel and Dimed - [info]ozarque, 2005-12-09 02:42 pm UTC (Expand)
Bright idea
[info]idiotgrrl
2005-12-06 08:02 pm UTC (link)
I had an idea how to get the nutritional information out there.

Write a column called Grandma's Recipes or something like that.v Fix them for fat and unhealthy things like that. Emphasize vegetables. Make them authentic but cherry-picked for that sort of thing. Point out that this food is *cheap* and *delicious*! (Sorry! Boiled rice won't cut it where you're at. But potatoes? Sure thing!)

OK: Grandma's Economy Recipes. Grandmas' quick & easy & inexpensive recipes. Helpful hints (the water you boil the vegetables in is *really good* when you make up your Campbell's Veggy Soup with it instead of plain old boring tap 3water.) All that good stuff.

Hey - ypu speak the language already. You have a store of recipes. And if you want low fat & whole grains, check out the Depression-era and WWII stuff. My mom had a ton of them.

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Re: Bright idea: just for starters - [info]idiotgrrl, 2005-12-06 08:18 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]judith_s
2005-12-06 08:49 pm UTC (link)
I'm with the World Health Organization on this one, nursing the kids into toddlerhood would only increase their intake of healthful nutrients (and the mother's system is surprisingly good at removing the garbage in processed foods and creating breast milk that is good for the kid.)

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[info]yoak
2005-12-06 10:37 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing helpful to add to the discussion of nutritional problems in various subcultures or in the broad culture in this country. All I can do here is to encourage you to utilize your substantial talents in improving the situation if you care sufficiently to do so.

I'm commenting only because you both introduce the subject by reference to wealth and bring your nutritional comments to a close with statements about wealth. While it is possible that nutritional deficiencies impact poverty by making those with them less fit to perform, it is not likely a major factor, nor is it the obvious place to attempt to address the issue. It is possible to gain tremendous knowledge about wealth-building. It is possible to acquire and to teach skills that lead out of poverty. Such a direct approach is bound to be more effective in addressing the startling, senseless poverty that we see around us.

One of the biggest obstacles to such effective teaching, unfortunately, is a prevalent attitude in our culture that somehow orientation to building wealth is shameful or even morally deficient. The accomplishments of those successful in such endeavors have their accomplishments simultaneously disparaged and denied with claims that only privlege or exploitation could have allowed them. Given that, is it any wonder that instead of turning an eye toward education and engendering a community geared toward helping fellow people, most successful at wealth-building feel beleaguered and hole up in defense against those who hate them and who attempt to expropriate most or all of the fruits of their efforts?

You're right in your last statement above in that it has nothing to do with being afraid of hard work. Hard work is never sufficient for wealth-building and isn't even always necessary. There may be barriers to some introduced even before birth, but this is no excuse for the overwhelming barrier introduced after birth in fostering an environment in which wealth-building and the wealthy are denigrated.

To the extent that one cares about helping those in poverty, such acts are counter-productive. What is needed instead is for people like you, with your considerable influence and talent for expression, to teach people how to improve their financial well-being. If you aren't personally motivated to do so, or simply don't know how, then instead, to the extent that you ever touch upon such matters, you help by fostering an environment that encourages others to do so and which supports those that do.

I don't mean to accuse you of not doing so. Your response to this might be to nod to yourself with the thought that this is exactly what you're up to. If so, great. Among those I've known, you're probably the most skilled at placing praise, or a sneer, at an accomplishment or person or idea and having it be simultaneously extremely felt and difficult to pin down or challenge. That's your albatross, as you've discussed before. How do you use it with respect to attitudes about wealth and a cure for poverty? Above you discuss nutrition and wealth. Your presentation motivates someone in the know to share their knowledge about mexican food cornbread. Does it similarly encourage sharing of strategies on debt-reduction and self-incorporation for tax advantage, or is the atmosphere one in which those who concern themselves with such things might be shy about displaying such mercurial pursuits?

You have an uphill battle if you prefer the former to the latter. Sneers about the wealthy and wealth-building are ubiquitous in this culture and probably most common among the intellectuals you're likely to find among your readers and friends. Still, fighting such sneers is good work, and is about the most important thing I can see in helping those in poverty out of the impossible choice between perceived evils, poverty or guilty wealth. People are much more motivated by a struggle they can see as noble and not merely necessary.

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[info]beckyzoole
2005-12-07 12:23 am UTC (link)
I agree with you wholeheartedly -- good prenatal care and good infant nutrition is absolutely crucial! If I were to come into millions tomorrow, I'd find who does the best work to promote healthy eating and donate it to them.

The education would have to be done by TV, not a newspaper column, I agree. I'd try to get lots of it into children's programming, so they will grow up knowing that babies shouldn't have soda and pregnant ladies shouldn't have beer. I'd want to find an Oprah Winfrey type person who'd have a regular talk show all about baby and infant care. I'd get men involved too.

Some day. When I come into millions.

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[info]ethesis
2005-12-07 03:19 am UTC (link)
Well written thread.

I would note that giving those in prison vitamins resulted in a third less disciplinary problems.

The research on this point is stunning in many ways.

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Lack of Nutrition and Lack of Education
[info]eclectic338
2005-12-07 03:22 am UTC (link)
Suzette, Your comments on infant nutrition reminded me of a similar comment I read, so I had to go find it. After a bit of a search I located the book, entitled "Vivilore - The Pathway to Mental and Physical Perfection", by Mary Ries Melendy, copyright 1904, published out of Chicago, IL. She writes "Workers in the Children's Milk Commission of Chicago tell us that one of their greatest difficulties was to convince the mothers of the slum districts that pure, new milk was better for their babes than beer and bologna sausage, which delectable fare they had been in the habit of nourishing their four day old infants!" You'd think that in 100 years we would have fixed this problem... ((sigh))

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[info]ab_xnfp
2005-12-07 06:29 am UTC (link)
No unfortunately TV is the best way to go with this demographic.

Question: what *did* your foremothers cook and serve on a daily basis?

Likely:
eggs, pork, mustard, turnip and collard greens, cornmeal, blackstrap molasses, sorgum syrup, apple butter, leather britches (dried green beans stewed within an inch of their lives), cowpeas (black-eyed and purplehull, crowder, field and cream peas, speckled butterbeans and fresh pintos). Okra. in the spring all sorts of wild fresh greens. Might be some milk/butter if someone local has goats or a cow. Very ocassionally a young rooster.

The Firefox books are full of this sort of information. Living with a family that ran a produce stand in east texas for a year was enlightening.

(unless you're talking our hostess' specific foremothers?)

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Foremothers' menus.... - [info]ozarque, 2005-12-07 06:22 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]fibermom
2005-12-07 01:41 pm UTC (link)
A poor family came into my workplace yesterday. I could tell immediately that they were poor, because of their clothing, speech, and body language. I don't know what they ate, and they may have as much money as I do, but their easily-identifiable class membership is a drawback for their children. I have chosen a less-lucrative but more enjoyable and family-friendly job, and I think that I am happier than many richer people. But if my kids want to make money, they have the self-presentation skills that will allow them to do that. The kids of the family that I saw yesterday will not be able to walk into any job interview knowing that they will come off as well-spoken, BCBG people.

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[info]thecert
2005-12-07 02:13 pm UTC (link)
nothing on earth is harder than changing a culture's food-and-drink customs.

While I don't take issue with this basic thesis, the description of the current foodways includes solid evidence that change can occur within a very short period of time, generationally speaking. Let me repeat that food list: pizza and hamburgers and fried chicken and biscuits-and-gravy and candy bars and "vegetables" cooked for hours with a chunk of ham, and ever-more-sugar-added canned and packaged food at the grocery store. Pizza, hamburgers (as we know them), candy bars, and to a degree canned goods were luxury items or totally unknown not that long ago. That's even more true of Pepsi and Twinkies. Yet these latecomers are readily accepted rather than being sniffed at or mistrusted as "city food" from the messed-up "city folks."

Two thoughts. One: Although foodways are notoriously difficult to change, people following them may truly believe they are being progressive. The Twinkie-feeders are using modern foods, not old-fashioned milk. Two: They got the idea of using "new" foods from some outside source, not local tradition - not initially. Maybe Pepsi and pizza are traditions now, but they were introduced by outsiders. Pizza I can't address so readily, but Pepsi and Twinkies have the virtue of branding to give them credibility. In a perfect world, it would be possible to introduce similarly branded alternatives that are more healthful. If outsiders can bring in bad through branding, outsiders can bring in good likewise - if they have the goods to work with.

I've read a number of articles about university outreach programs (some working through extension) to achieve goals analogous to the ones Ozarque would like to see for the poor rural white underclass in the Ozarks. One that I could readily find was "Engagement and Outreach with Amish Audiences" by James J. Hoorman and Edith A. Spencer, Journal of Higher Education Outreach and Engagement 7(1&2):157-168. Ohio State University Extension worked carefully to gain the trust of the Amish people, and when some of their strategies (e.g., rotational grazing, more effective use of poultry manure) were successful and provided economic benefits, the outreach programs and their purveyors had more cachet and credibility in the Amish community, which in turn helped achieve other goals: improving water quality, food preservation, etc. The article gives a number of specifics effective for outreach to the Amish that might be "translatable" to other insular communities.

I don't know that any local organization is interested in such an endeavor with Ozarque's people; I mention this case study more as evidence that rural, insular communities are not completely beyond the pale in the view of organizations that have the potential to help them.

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[info]loligo
2005-12-07 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Isn't Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee trying to draw a lot of attention to nutrition and health education right now, in light of his own weight loss? Do you see that having any noticeable effects?

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sugar
[info]fillyjonk
2005-12-11 03:31 pm UTC (link)
This is slightly tangential, but may be of interest. I just read a book I picked up at the local bookstore (I believe assigned in a college anthropology class nearby), and can't help but make the connection to this discussion. The book is Sidney W. Mintz' Sweetness and Power: The Place of Sugar in Modern History. The chapter on consumption mainly covers changing patterns in England between 1650 and 1900; at the beginning of this period, sugar was a luxury, by the end firmly embedded in working-class diet. Working patterns had changed, mealtimes also, and sugar became (or was made to be) essential, paired with stimulants (mainly tea, in the English context) and as part of a quick meal (say, a sugary spread on bread). As sugar became more common, it became a cheap and convenient source of calories - if not much else. The author doesn't discuss consumption by age and gender in much detail, but he does suggest that menfolk tended to be privileged consumers in a household, and that women and children were very likely undernourished when there wasn't enough to go around. I must say I found this little bit of history (and there is much more to the book - the connection to plantations, slavery, the growth of capitalism and industry) quite fascinating, particularly in light of current soul-searching about diet in the country. Apparently it is a dysfunction with quite a pedigree. But having grown up in a small village (not in the US) I find it particularly peculiar when people from rural areas eat so poorly. I was always shocked as a kid visiting my grandmother (in the Ozarks, as a matter of fact) at the horrid, sad, shriveled veggies in her local supermarket, especially as my cousins in large cities on either coast had beautiful, tasty, varied produce. My logic as a (rural) child was befuddled by the fact that people with cultivable land around them didn't have nice fresh veggies (and people in town didn't have gardens, either, so unless they were getting their veggies directly from farmers, the store was their source), while the city folk (granted, the affluent) did. I wonder if TV (maybe paired with print) would be a good medium - after all, it's the source of many people's information about the world outside their immediate circle, and where they pick up norms and expectations. But that, I guess, is purely wishful thinking.

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Re: sugar - [info]ozarque, 2005-12-11 07:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: sugar - [info]ozarque, 2005-12-11 07:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Nutrition Education
[info]countrycousin
2005-12-14 03:29 pm UTC (link)
There is a program called Expanded Food & Nutrition Education Program (EFNEP) - don't know how it is implemented in your neighborhood.

The University of Missouri Extension has a Family Nutrition Education Program:
http://outreach.missouri.edu/fnep/

These folks can only do so much. One probably needs local people to proactively act as intermediaries, and I understand there are efforts along those lines, but it is far from where I am. Still, these are the people who are trying to get the info out to the populace. They may be aware of other efforts.

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